Worst Ever Boro 11 - We have our team!
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Chutney
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Maybe it didn't even say Anderson. I'll have to find the picture now...
Big_Nothing
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Reflecting more on it, I am having nightmarish flashbacks to relegation under Southgate.
Truth be told, other than the 8-1, I didn't particularly enjoy his tenure.
On the old board I used to regularly trash him and perhaps his England success has affected my memories.
Selling Cattermole and Morrison go for a combined 5 million. Replacing them with Digard and O'neil for a combined 9 million.
Letting Boateng go, letting Rochemback when we had the OPTION OF ANOTHER YEAR. Replacing them with???? ???? Digard also???
Letting 3 central midfielders with a 500 odd games of premier league experience between them go for an injury prone young French midfielder.
Alves seemed to thrive off his connection with Rochemback yet he was allowed to leave. Stewey was moved into the middle at one point but prior to that was whipping balls in to sail over Alves head while Tuncay was 30 yards back in midfield helping out whoever we'd managed to field. Usually Matty Bates, Shawky, an injury prone Arca or poor young Josh Walker.
Persisting with Justin Hoyte.
Letting Quedrue leave and thinking Andrew 'one gear' Taylor was good enough to replace him.
Letting Schwarzer go and have Jones and Turnbull 'battle it out' for number 1 spot. How as a former centre half did he think that would work?
Marlon King. Shawky. Why were these players ever playing premier league football for Middlesbrough?
We didn't have as much cash but the cash he did spent was done so badly and seemingly without strategy.
He just wasn't ready and I think Gibson is as much to blame as he is but there's no get out. He was the manager and he should've been making it clear to Gibson that the team will go down unless we give a few lads an extra 2 year deal or find a replacement. That's part of his job.
People say he let players he'd played with go because he didn't feel he could manage their ego's or whatever. Then why bring a known muppet like Mido in?
Viduka replaced with Aliadiere, give me strength.
Not the worst but right up Strachan's behind in second place in my lifetime.
That said, I LOVE Gareth Southgate and I'm immensely proud of the connection he had/has with our club.
Truth be told, other than the 8-1, I didn't particularly enjoy his tenure.
On the old board I used to regularly trash him and perhaps his England success has affected my memories.
Selling Cattermole and Morrison go for a combined 5 million. Replacing them with Digard and O'neil for a combined 9 million.
Letting Boateng go, letting Rochemback when we had the OPTION OF ANOTHER YEAR. Replacing them with???? ???? Digard also???
Letting 3 central midfielders with a 500 odd games of premier league experience between them go for an injury prone young French midfielder.
Alves seemed to thrive off his connection with Rochemback yet he was allowed to leave. Stewey was moved into the middle at one point but prior to that was whipping balls in to sail over Alves head while Tuncay was 30 yards back in midfield helping out whoever we'd managed to field. Usually Matty Bates, Shawky, an injury prone Arca or poor young Josh Walker.
Persisting with Justin Hoyte.
Letting Quedrue leave and thinking Andrew 'one gear' Taylor was good enough to replace him.
Letting Schwarzer go and have Jones and Turnbull 'battle it out' for number 1 spot. How as a former centre half did he think that would work?
Marlon King. Shawky. Why were these players ever playing premier league football for Middlesbrough?
We didn't have as much cash but the cash he did spent was done so badly and seemingly without strategy.
He just wasn't ready and I think Gibson is as much to blame as he is but there's no get out. He was the manager and he should've been making it clear to Gibson that the team will go down unless we give a few lads an extra 2 year deal or find a replacement. That's part of his job.
People say he let players he'd played with go because he didn't feel he could manage their ego's or whatever. Then why bring a known muppet like Mido in?
Viduka replaced with Aliadiere, give me strength.
Not the worst but right up Strachan's behind in second place in my lifetime.
That said, I LOVE Gareth Southgate and I'm immensely proud of the connection he had/has with our club.
alanmoodysdog
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Stans nowhere near ... the bulk of his team morphed into Jacks formidable team and Stan brought Souness into the club... Stan tried hard but always in the top 8 but never a promotion
Bruce
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Difficult because you need to think of it in relative terms: given their resources who made the worst job of it. So, although Woodgate was on track to get us relegated to the third tier, he was handed a hospital pass with no support as his first senior role. He has since shown that he is probably an ok to mediocre manager but a really good support coach.
On the other hand, Pulis inherited the best (if imbalanced) squad in the Championship and failed to get us promoted. Arguably, Pulis did a relatively worse job than Woodgate.
Strachan inherited a decent squad that was probably capable of promotion but was demoralised. A decent manager would probably have got us promoted; he actually destroyed any chance of that.
Robson was given almost unlimited money but still managed to get us relegated and lose every final he made it to. Then again he got us promoted twice. He pretty much played on Cheat mode and still didn't win.
Southgate, like Woodgate, got a hospital pass. Each season was worse than the previous but, in hindsight, he probably did better than he had any right to.
In the Riverside era, I think I have to plump for Strachan simply for the sheer misery of what we went through under him. Woodgate's appointment was almost a catastrophe but the fault doesn't solely lie with him; he was the Bobby Murdoch of his day. Likewise, Southgate's appointment was absolutely the wrong decision at the time.
On the other hand, Pulis inherited the best (if imbalanced) squad in the Championship and failed to get us promoted. Arguably, Pulis did a relatively worse job than Woodgate.
Strachan inherited a decent squad that was probably capable of promotion but was demoralised. A decent manager would probably have got us promoted; he actually destroyed any chance of that.
Robson was given almost unlimited money but still managed to get us relegated and lose every final he made it to. Then again he got us promoted twice. He pretty much played on Cheat mode and still didn't win.
Southgate, like Woodgate, got a hospital pass. Each season was worse than the previous but, in hindsight, he probably did better than he had any right to.
In the Riverside era, I think I have to plump for Strachan simply for the sheer misery of what we went through under him. Woodgate's appointment was almost a catastrophe but the fault doesn't solely lie with him; he was the Bobby Murdoch of his day. Likewise, Southgate's appointment was absolutely the wrong decision at the time.
Capybara
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And even then, after all that analysis, it's still Raich Carter.
wilkos_perm
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I think while many of the comments are justified, I doin't agree with the "letting" Queudrue and Schwarzer leave bits, they were at the end of their contracts and clearly wanted to move on. Didn't Franck leave in the summer Southgate took over also? I think we pretty much knew at the UEFA cup final that it was Franck's last match
newyddion
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Cattermole was an utter todd and we decided to cash in on Morrison to go for players with more potential.
Boateng was on decent wages and we clawed £1m back
Was he injury prone befor Cattermole knacked him?
Alves should have been able to score without Rochenback tbf Downing was in the top five of prem assists. We were restricted in midfielder as we couldn’t buy any players in January!
He wasn’t that bad
Money
Again this was down to money. We missed out on the Liverpool keeper in the summer too.
Money, circumstance
Even with the benefit of hindsight you wouldn’t do any better (I’ve tried tbh)
Our hands we tied by the banks.. remember the worldwide financial crash?
Cattermole was fighting in local pubs and being a complete knob.. Mido was a high maintenance footballer
Highly rated.. how many games did visual play on £50k a week?
Monk and Pulis are right behind for me.. Wilder snapping at their heels with a worse record.
One of our best manager in recent years.. many didn’t realise it at the time and still can’t understand!
goalscrounger
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Another vote for Bobby Murdoch. Woefully out of his depth.
Although Strachan was certainly the most odious, bitter, unpleasant man to ever manage a Boro side.
Although Strachan was certainly the most odious, bitter, unpleasant man to ever manage a Boro side.
Rofesleg
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Net spend of £2m there Newy. So no money brought in. Wages probably lower though.
(If my mental arithmetic is up to scratch).
newyddion
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Wages were WAY down plus there’s loads of other bits and bobs like the Gary O’Neil £1m to Portsmouth after 100 games which we didn’t pay and transfer deals being disclosed over transfer fees.. ie wages, bonuses etc being included along with the fees.
£20k a week is £1m a year.. doesn’t take many Schwartzers being replaced by academy lads to sort that perceived net spend of £2m down to a negative figure.
Glover_elbow
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In other words players move on you strapped for cash and instead of smart buys you spunk it on dross. Not in a million years would an experienced manager like allaerdyce redknapp dyche or warnock would have bought the dross we did given the same budget. There are no excuses for Southgate he was fúcking terrible
Picto_Leng
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A few folks have mentioned Bobby Murdoch, so to get a perspective on the situation he inherited, and the players he blooded in his short time as Boro manager, this short section of an interview he gave a year before his death is worth a read. The full interview is here:
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newyddion
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Shwartzer - Turnbull we made a huge ammount back on wages.. we missed out on Charles Itandje from Liveperpool (Blackburn bought Paul Robinson for £3,5m)
Young - Hoyte - Southgate brought Young in but he cant take credit for that, we accepted £6m for him and missed out on Gretar Steinsson (cash problems)
Woodgate - Wheater - Woodgate brought in Jonathan Woodgate too didn't he.. sold at a profit and replaced by upcoming academy prospect David Wheater (trained with england)
Huth - I think Southgate brough Huth in to.. to replace himself. Good call, won the premier league with Leicester
Queudrue - Arca - the love for Queudrue grew as he continiued at a high level for other clubs.. even better when we drifted away. Arca very much under rated imo
Morrison - Aliadiere - top money for an academy player thought to have peaked. would have been great for us in the championship. we were going for europe tho..
Cattermole - Digard - fighting and being a complete tool.. we brought in a french prospect who was fine until Cattermole tore his quad and knacked his knee.
Rochemback - O'Neil - the myth of Fabio Rachenback.. he got slagged off at the time, Gary O'Neil was decent, Portsmouth wanted him back for £5m.. not a fancy player tho
Boateng - Shawky - cashed in on a player who was slowing down, we gambled on and Egyptian player.. sometimes gambles dont pay off.
Hasslebaink - Mido - £6m was a solid signing, beat Sunderland to his signature and if not for injury and fatness would have tore it up
Yakubu - Alves - something daft like European golden boot, he could score goals and scored against top teams in the prem
Viduka - Tuncay - go to Turkey and see mention his name, scored a hatrick agaisnt man utd didnt he? and he came on a free? no kick back for allaerdyce redknapp dyche* or warnock
*Dyche who staeted managing in 2011 but all of a sudden becomes more experienced than Gareth Southgate who is a year older.
Southgate made money, his signings were more hit than miss, the carpet was pulled from under him and he got results in the premier league against some top teams.. even in the relegation season. very much a forward thinking coach he pushed on academy players and developed them beyond what any of the coaches you have mentioned. David Wheater looked like he was gonna play for England at one point!
Use the hindsight machine and you wont get much better.. would you prefer a £6m Alan Smith over a £6m Mido?
Kevin Nolan would have been a canny signing over Gary O'Neil.. could we have managed it? Would he have made THAT moch difference? Then there are all the players Mark Proctor was trying to push our way that our fans would not have accepted.. £500k for a scotish midfielder when we've just been in a EUFA cup final (Charlie Adam) £200k for Graham Dorrans rather than and international midfielder being chased by Newcastle (I think we beat Newcastle to Didier Digard)
The hindsight machine gets you one place.. still relegation. Because injuries happen, the quality of players is there or there abouts and if the bank say no.. then theres nothing you can do about that.
BobUpnDown
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It doesn't have to be the worst manager, just worst for us when they were here: MONK, imho..
