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SuperStu said:
Fair play to you for this ST. Don't think many/any of the Starmer cultists on here have been able to front up to this even as a possibility, but its actually pretty likely when you start to consider everything.

Starmers position on Israel/Palestine appears to be heavily influenced by donors, as does Streetings on privatisation and the NHS. The Scottish Labour Party leader was forced out by donors too. Then theres the policy deceptions that got Starmer the leadership in the first place. And the fact the party is under investigation for rigging candidate selections...

Edit: and of course the rumours around what went on between Starmer and Hoyle a few weeks back.

The point is anyone voting Labour to put a stop to tory corruption might well find we're moving from the frying pan to the fire.
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Superstu you have shown in this post why the Tories are struggling to land a glove on Sir Kier.

Talking about Labour led corruption that MIGHT happen sometime in the future, what MIGHT have happened with Hoyle. Gaza position APPEARING to be influenced by donors, policy DECEPTIONS when being accused of not having any policies, candidate rigging UNDER INVESTIGATION.

I appreciate all this heresay stuff is part of politics but you need more substance if it is to be regarded as anything more than bum fluff.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Superstu you have shown in this post why the Tories are struggling to land a glove on Sir Kier.

Talking about Labour led corruption that MIGHT happen sometime in the future, what MIGHT have happened with Hoyle. Gaza position APPEARING to be influenced by donors, policy DECEPTIONS when being accused of not having any policies, candidate rigging UNDER INVESTIGATION.

I appreciate all this heresay stuff is part of politics but you need more substance if it is to be regarded as anything more than bum fluff.
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Notice the use of the derogatory term 'Starmer Cultists' too.

Just really juvenile.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
If Labour really is corrupt then surely Corbyn is to blame, after all the vast majority of re-elected MP's and new MP's were waved through or selected by Corbyn's Labour Party?
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From saying the term 'Starmer cultists' is unhelpful to saying it's Corbyns fault if Starmer’s position on Israel/Gaza is for sale, and if Starmer’s gone back on Starmer’s leadership pledges, and if Starmer’s compromised Hoyle's neutrality, and if under Starmer the party has been rigging it's internal elections.

:ROFLMAO:

And every other reply has been fingers in ears, head in the sand, none of its real. Well played guys, you've really rebutted the cultists jibe.
 
Scrote said:
Whilst I largely agree, you have to question the appointment of Jack Lubner as leader/chair of Young Labour.

Democracy in action...
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I'm not a Labour member or would even describe myself as a Labour voter necessarily, so had to Google this.

I mean yeah doesn't look great given his dad, but are you saying the vote was rigged or something?
 
This thread kind of sums up why we'll never truly rid ourselves of the Tories. The only alternative currently is Labour and their supporters hate each other as.much as they hate tories. Its always going to be a divided party
 
festa5 said:
I mean yeah doesn't look great given his dad, but are you saying the vote was rigged or something?
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Yes that's what Scrote is inferring despite there being no evidence whatsoever to back up his allegation, only wild speculation.

Oh, and the lad is a Jew and has had to put up with an antisemitic twitter pile on 🤷‍♂️
 
LessoftheLip said:
The posters on this thread criticising Starmer and the Labour Party are not Labour Party supporters.
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No they definitely are not Labour, I don’t believe they have ever been Labour despite all the Corbyn stuff, it would be interesting to know which of the other parties they are campaigning for, but in saying that, I’m not that interested in who they are or who they work for.

All sorts goes on through social media these days I’m sure every football forum has their equivalent trying to chip away at Labour whilst carefully not mentioning any other political party.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Superstu you have shown in this post why the Tories are struggling to land a glove on Sir Kier.

Talking about Labour led corruption that MIGHT happen sometime in the future, what MIGHT have happened with Hoyle. Gaza position APPEARING to be influenced by donors, policy DECEPTIONS when being accused of not having any policies, candidate rigging UNDER INVESTIGATION.

I appreciate all this heresay stuff is part of politics but you need more substance if it is to be regarded as anything more than bum fluff.
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The sheer hypocrisy to post this, and then later the same day insist I'm campaigning/working for a party. Don't you see how pathetic that is?

And think about what you're effectively saying here. For you there's no legitimate criticism of Starmer. Anyone who ever says anything not praising him is doing so for payment. Anyone who took umbridge at me saying the word cultist this morning, well... defend this nonsense why don't you.
 
SuperStu said:
The sheer hypocrisy to post this, and then later the same day insist I'm campaigning/working for a party. Don't you see how pathetic that is?

And think about what you're effectively saying here. For you there's no legitimate criticism of Starmer. Anyone who ever says anything not praising him is doing so for payment. Anyone who took umbridge at me saying the word cultist this morning, well... defend this nonsense why don't you.
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I’ve said what I’ve said Superstu, I think you are a good poster but I also think you are not fooling anybody with your tedious and constant criticism of Labour, Starmer and people who vote Labour. Without doubt you are agenda driven on a forum which is largely just full of punters who support the Boro. I think you should give it a rest quite frankly.
 
festa5 said:
I'm not a Labour member or would even describe myself as a Labour voter necessarily, so had to Google this.

I mean yeah doesn't look great given his dad, but are you saying the vote was rigged or something?
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I'm saying that having a father who is the largest party donor should have made all concerned seriously consider whether standing was a good idea. Whether it was directly corrupt isn't really the point. It looks bad. What happened to "it's all about the optics"?

It stinks of the sort of nepotism/cronyism we so love the Tories for. There's always going to be questions asked as to how many people voted for the money rather than the candidate.

There is a clear conflict of interest that reminds me of sixth-form level politics where the most popular kids get on the student-council regardless of 'policy'. In this case it's the kid with the most 'popular' dad.

LessoftheLip said:
Yes that's what Scrote is inferring despite there being no evidence whatsoever to back up his allegation, only wild speculation.
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Yet again, you make an accusation with zero proof and miss the mark with the accuracy of a reverse-hawkeye.

LessoftheLip said:
Oh, and the lad is a Jew and has had to put up with an antisemitic twitter pile on 🤷‍♂️
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That's terrible. I hope the people doing it are found and prosecuted.
 
LessoftheLip said:
The posters on this thread criticising Starmer and the Labour Party are not Labour Party supporters.
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What a ridiculous thing to say out loud.

Why stop there?

The posters on this forum criticising Gibson and the club are not Boro supporters….

The posters on this forum criticising the Royal Family are not supporters of England or the United Kingdom….

The posters on this forum criticising Parliament are not supporters of the rule of law or democracy.

Everyone, please keep your opinions to yourself from now on. Don’t be critical of annything that you may follow. Ever.
True supporters just suck it up, bite their tongue, turn a blind eye, defend the indefensible and drink the koolaid. Just shut up and put up because that’s absolutely how things will improve. Never ever call out or discuss mistakes or lies or errors or anything at all.
Thanks 👍
 
HolgateCorner said:
No they definitely are not Labour, I don’t believe they have ever been Labour despite all the Corbyn stuff, it would be interesting to know which of the other parties they are campaigning for, but in saying that, I’m not that interested in who they are or who they work for.
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This is ridiculous. It suggests that you would vote Labour regardless. No matter how far right they moved, or what was or wasn't in their manifesto you would just sheepishly vote Labour. No nuance, no parameters, you would just vote Labour. Extremely naive.

For your information though, I was a Labour member until Blair's Iraq adventure and then I joined again when Corbyn became leader.
 
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