YouGov Poll.
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festa5
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I can get behind that. Curly Wurly 25p these days. Unbelievable!
bear66
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What? It was 3p last time I bought one.
Chris_Boro
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Laughing
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Starmer hasn't ruled this out either. I suspect he will want to know which way the wind is blowing closer to the time.
Chris_Boro
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Another poll...
BoroFur
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The Conservatives were reasonably comfortable that their losses weren't going to Labour. This poll turns that notion on its head.
I wonder why the tories have decided to bash up their polling lead like this?
Is it just hubris? They didn't think anything would ever harm their polling? Is it to do with not seeing Labour as a threat? Believing they can push through an unpopualar tax rise now and then recover in time for an election?
I can't help but feel like they're up to something. Not raising tax is such a cornerstone tory ideal I simply don't buy that they'd do it flippantly and be surprised that it costs them some of their support. Surely it's all calculated and priced in.
Is it just hubris? They didn't think anything would ever harm their polling? Is it to do with not seeing Labour as a threat? Believing they can push through an unpopualar tax rise now and then recover in time for an election?
I can't help but feel like they're up to something. Not raising tax is such a cornerstone tory ideal I simply don't buy that they'd do it flippantly and be surprised that it costs them some of their support. Surely it's all calculated and priced in.
BoroFur
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You're very naive if you think that's how government works.Is it some kind of bait and switch? They say NI increase until Starmer responds with some sort of commitment to a wealth/property tax. Then in two weeks they say "actually we'll just pay for the social care bill through 0% borrowing, Labour are the tax party!"
Eh? They do that quite regularly tbh Fur.
BoroFur
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What, take two years to announce a policy. Win over the back benchers, put it to a vote in Parliament, send out Minister after Minister to defend the policy then change their minds.
Oh hang on, you could be right
Lefty
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A progressive alliance is what Labour should be going for and genuine electoral reform.
The recent few polls put a Labour, Lib Dems, Greens alliance at over 50% without the SNP or PC.
The Right would get less than 40% and that would likely be true forever under PR. The Tories would have to shift left permanently to have any hope of governing.
Well, the Left would splinter and of course then some would refuse to compromise, thus actually handing government to the Tories in the end perhaps. Never underestimate the impact of ideology on intelligence.
The recent few polls put a Labour, Lib Dems, Greens alliance at over 50% without the SNP or PC.
The Right would get less than 40% and that would likely be true forever under PR. The Tories would have to shift left permanently to have any hope of governing.
Well, the Left would splinter and of course then some would refuse to compromise, thus actually handing government to the Tories in the end perhaps. Never underestimate the impact of ideology on intelligence.
If you think Labour would form a coalition with SNP you’re deluded.
not only are the politics of each party polar opposites but they both have committed to the exact opposite of each other regarding Scottish Independence
Add to that the Tory propaganda machine would be in overdrive if they even got a whiff of this happening and being a possibility before the vote and it would be a sh it storm for Labour.
there is only one way Labour can win the next election…. And that’s an all out win and destruction of the tories.
at the minute they don’t have it in them despite Boris giving them all the ammunition they need.
Starmer is a nothing man, a ghost who has gone missing… when was the last time you saw him give an interview an opinion or even a sound bite? I watch the news daily and it’s been that long I can’t even remember.
you need a strong opposition leader even if you haven’t got the bodies in parliament… he is not a strong leader
not only are the politics of each party polar opposites but they both have committed to the exact opposite of each other regarding Scottish Independence
Add to that the Tory propaganda machine would be in overdrive if they even got a whiff of this happening and being a possibility before the vote and it would be a sh it storm for Labour.
there is only one way Labour can win the next election…. And that’s an all out win and destruction of the tories.
at the minute they don’t have it in them despite Boris giving them all the ammunition they need.
Starmer is a nothing man, a ghost who has gone missing… when was the last time you saw him give an interview an opinion or even a sound bite? I watch the news daily and it’s been that long I can’t even remember.
you need a strong opposition leader even if you haven’t got the bodies in parliament… he is not a strong leader
bungydinsdale
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There was some good research I read a few years ago on voting and voters. (No I'm not going to look it up as I can't be bothered) that found in general (whether local body or national elections) the have's voted in far greater numbers than the have nots.
So those with skin in the game (houses, mortgages, businesses, decent savings etc) were much more likely to vote as they saw that they had too much to lose if they didn't, whereas those without those things generally didn't to the same degree as they saw there was nothing in it for them if they voted, or that voting wouldn't make much difference to their lives.
I can't recall the exact numbers but it was something like 84 % of they haves voted while it was down in the 20s% for the have nots.
The conclusion of the research (I think from Victoria University from memory if anybody does want to look it up) was that is why right-leaning and centrist candidates and parties generally get more votes.
And therefore the key to getting more left-leaning governments/politicians was to mobilise the have nots to get more of them out to vote by showing them that they are the ones that will actually be most effected by policies.
Oh and edited to say: Mixed Member Proportional voting systems are much better for getting the smaller parties' voices in Government than First Past the Post.
So those with skin in the game (houses, mortgages, businesses, decent savings etc) were much more likely to vote as they saw that they had too much to lose if they didn't, whereas those without those things generally didn't to the same degree as they saw there was nothing in it for them if they voted, or that voting wouldn't make much difference to their lives.
I can't recall the exact numbers but it was something like 84 % of they haves voted while it was down in the 20s% for the have nots.
The conclusion of the research (I think from Victoria University from memory if anybody does want to look it up) was that is why right-leaning and centrist candidates and parties generally get more votes.
And therefore the key to getting more left-leaning governments/politicians was to mobilise the have nots to get more of them out to vote by showing them that they are the ones that will actually be most effected by policies.
Oh and edited to say: Mixed Member Proportional voting systems are much better for getting the smaller parties' voices in Government than First Past the Post.
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jam69
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The sadest part of these polls shows exactly the mindset of your average tory, they don't care about the cronyism , the racism the incompance thats led to thousands of unnecessary deaths etc , but as soon they are asked to pay a little bit more towards something like health care they are up in arms . I don't agree with the way the tories are rasing taxes but there's no getting away from it we need to properly fund SC.
festa5
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Had exactly the same thoughts. Selfish is the only word.
For many it seems it's only when something directly affects them do they care. depressing.
Of course there's plenty of things this government has done that I'm sure has indirectly affected the same people, but would appear they're too stupid to join the dots on those.