YouGov Poll.

festa5 said:
For many it seems it's only when something directly affects them do they care. depressing.
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It's always been like that through my lifetime and I doubt it will change. The majority of people have very little "in depth" interest about politics.

I've noticed recently that the media narrative surrounding Labour is "Ok, we know you are against xxxx Government policy - but what would Labour do, specifically". This will become a problem.
 
Just been reading Starmer's putting out a 14,000 word "mission statement" essay before conference. It apparently won't contain any new policy announcements. Hopefully that means it'll recommit the party to policies from the last two manifestos or Starmer's leadership pledges.

Either way though it seems an odd thing to do to me. Barely anybody will read it surely. Is it just to try and show how different and serious he is compared to Boris?
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
It's always been like that through my lifetime and I doubt it will change. The majority of people have very little "in depth" interest about politics.

I've noticed recently that the media narrative surrounding Labour is "Ok, we know you are against xxxx Government policy - but what would Labour do, specifically". This will become a problem.
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While that's true and ignorance is partly a defence in some cases, the proposed NI increase isn't in place yet is it? So people will have read about it or seen it on the news. Same as all the other **** this government get up to. The only difference being this one will obviously put them out of pocket. People will have been just as aware of Windrush, Grenfell etc etc regardless of in depth interest in politics but simply not given a flying F.

The "yeah, but what would labour do?" Is nothing new and obviously works. It's along the same lines as "labour wouldn't do any better" or "they're all as bad as each other".

Convenient lies people tell themselves as they put their cross against a party of racist, xenophobic con-men yet again.
 
Ironops said:
That just makes the last yougov poll look like a big outlier

3 polls yesterday and today have shown Cons 39, lab 35 so there has clearly been a shift although not a big one
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Yes, YouGuv have plenty of form in miraculously producing headline grabbing polls then quietly correcting them a week later. Nothing to see here folks!

On your second point the poll of polls tracker shows a consistent narrowing, which is more important.

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I expect it to get narrower still as we go into the autumn, the vaccine bounce wears off, peoples belts get tightened etc
 
BoroFur said:
Yes and what is striking there is none of the Tory gain came from Labour.

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True.

But half of it has come from the Lib Dems, which matters as they were in 2nd place to the Tories in dozens of constituencies in southern England at the last election. For Labour to have a chance of even forming a minority government after the next election, they need the LDs to take votes/seats off the Tories.

It's a difficult balancing act. Labour has to try and win back a chunk of Leavers in the north and midlands, whilst hoping that the LDs can attract Tory Remainers in the south.
 
Billy Horner said:
True.

But half of it has come from the Lib Dems, which matters as they were in 2nd place to the Tories in dozens of constituencies in southern England at the last election. For Labour to have a chance of even forming a minority government after the next election, they need the LDs to take votes/seats off the Tories.

It's a difficult balancing act. Labour has to try and win back a chunk of Leavers in the north and midlands, whilst hoping that the LDs can attract Tory Remainers in the south.
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What's also worth noting is not all polls prompt for ReformUK. So in certain areas that will pull votes from both the Tories and Labour potentially allowing one or the other sneak through.
 
Chris_Boro said:
What's also worth noting is not all polls prompt for ReformUK. So in certain areas that will pull votes from both the Tories and Labour potentially allowing one or the other sneak through.
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That's a fair point. Although I actually think that, unlike the Farage fronted UKIP and the Brexit Party, ReformUK will really only take votes from disaffected Tories.
 
A Lab/LibDem/Green Alliance has polled 50% for quite a while now.

That is what Starmer should be working to position the Party to. Most members and voters are in favour of the electoral reform he would have to agree to to get them on board, so the fight he has on his hands internally is with the older fixtures as well as some of the more left wing/Corbynites who would prefer to lose most of the time rather than compromise. If they could win power they think they would then be able to do what they want.
 
Labour lost Ladgate Bi election to an independent last week coming 3rd behind tories, even though by all accounts the Labour candidate was quite popular. Although I feel people will move away from Conservatives they're not necessarily going Labour ( or Lib Dem for that matter), think we will see a lot more independents.
 
The_Unicorn said:
Labour lost Ladgate Bi election to an independent last week coming 3rd behind tories, even though by all accounts the Labour candidate was quite popular. Although I feel people will move away from Conservatives they're not necessarily going Labour ( or Lib Dem for that matter), think we will see a lot more independents.
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Time for a progressive alliance then
 
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