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He doesn't need to set out a vision for anything beyond the 5 year term he is trying to achieve. The manifesto is a covenant and must be achievable in 5 years.I'm not sure how many times we have to explain it to you. It's like arguing with the Daily Mail. You just keep repeating things as fact that are not even close to being true. You have swallowed the right wing rhetoric fully.
1. We don't have a centre right electorate. That's not a fact at all. We have a FPTP system which elects right wing parties. The majority of the country aren't right wing. Already covered in Post 23.
2. The far right government were elected because of Labour's Brexit position. There was no widespread call for Tory economic/social policies. They barely even bothered with a manifesto. It was single issue election and Labour, assisted by Starmer, failed to choose a position on the issue.
3. Centrist isn't a direction. Left wing/Right wing are two different things. You can't be in the middle. If you are on the right, as we currently are then to get to the centre you have to go left. Standing still means you are still on the right.
4. Starmer has seen nobody off. He has done the same thing as a mannequin would have done. The opposition just keep shooting themselves in the face. Starmer gets no credit for that. He was just up against gross incompetence.
5. Of course we are connected to the World but all of the problems have been made worse by Tory ideology. It's not about the immediate term. It's the long term future of the people within this country. We failed to deal with the pandemic because we had destroyed the NHS. We failed with the cost of living because we have a system that allows energy companies to charge us extortionate amounts for our energy. We have expensive and terribly managed trains because we let private companies run it and take massive bonuses and salaries for being terrible at it. I could go on but I don't need to. We can't continue with the way we are doing things and expect them to change because the leader has a different colour tie. There's no competent way to carry out Tory ideology and expect to improve things. Change is what is needed and if Starmer can't even bring himself to suggest there is a better way of doing things then why do you have such faith that we will ever get there.
He doesn't need to say we need to make all these changes on day 1. He needs to set out a vision for a 5, 10, 15, 20 year roadmap of where we should be. If he doesn't have one then he's not going to make anything better for anyone that needs it.
By all means vote for who you want. A non tactical vote for anyone other than Labour raises the very real risk of a tory government. If you can live with that, fair enough, that's democracy. Just don't bleat after the fact.