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BoroMart said:
politics influences everything in society though, so very the influence of major political turning points such as brexit or the influx of ukipers into the tory party and simultaneous expulsion of one nation tories, or even going back a decade to the effects we feel today from austerity are absolutely valid in many, many contexts.

These shouldn't be taboo subjects. We have a party in power that is moving to the right,, and this is a football messageboard, many of us still remember the impact on the sport with the demonisation of football fans in the late 80s and early 90s under thatcherism. To the point that the government conspired to blame Liverpool fans for police failures and us working class folk were penned in behind spiked fences. The demonisation of the working classes continues today, just in a different form. The demographic on this board is a little older than some of the others, but bizarely we are bucking the trend and staying more left leaning than right. Maybe that's because we engage in open debate and educate each other. Long may it continue
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Missed the point completely
 
spanishman said:
I am left leaning. I also stopped living in Middlesbrough in 1977.
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I think most of us that are accused of wokist marxist lefty wingers are in fact "left leaning". I can't remember the last time I met someone that actually advocated changing to a communist society.

Most of us want a capitalist economy, BUT with legislation in place to stop the psychopaths abusing the little people and hoovering up all the wealth as a result. You can't trust the elites of this world to be fair and just, so legislation is required to control their manipulation of the system. If you don't you get Enron, you get sub-prime market collapse, you get the wall street crash, you get black monday. But you get it far more often than we have seen.

Almost all people regardless of the political spectrum want good healthcare, police, fire service, roads, council services etc. Plenty of people complain at the cost of these things, but only a tiny fraction of people are happy to receive the OUTCOMES of small government. Pensioners who vote Tory being a prime example.
 
I think Woke as an insult started because of the professionally offended on other's behalf on Twitter who seek out anything they can deem to be an injustice which can get them some attention, particularly if it is catching a celebrity. Those people do more harm than good. The right-wing media liked the new term as an insult and ran with it. It's easy to describe everything you don't like with a single word and that's what the media do. Now any time anything says something should be done because it's the right thing to do is branded woke. It definitely reached a point a long time ago where anyone using the word sincerely is just telling you enough about the person that there is little point in trying to have a conversation with them.
 
‘Woke’ and proud.
The second anyone starts accusing people of being woke, they’ve lost any argument they wish to have.
They’ve been completely spoon fed a boogeyman by RW interests and the media and politicians that they own, and they foolishly allow themselves to get enraged about completely inane stuff that actually has zero impact on their immediate day to day life. Stuff like people kneeling, schoolgirls talking about climate change, people riding bikes, people eating vegetables, men wearing make up etc
Meanwhile, the instigators of the culture wars continue taking advantage of the distraction they’ve created by transferring huge ££££ from the public purse to their own pockets and those of their chums (in exchange for donations, future fat juicy non-exec directorships, advisor fees etc) protecting the status quo of the inequality gap, ensuring the poor stay poor and unorganised, taking away their money, eroding their free healthcare, their prospects, their working terms and conditions, their freedom of movement, their opportunities, their quality of education, transport networks, their power, keeping them in their place, removing ability to speak out and protest etc
All the while, they keep feeding the boogeyman narrative ‘look over there! It’s their fault! Blame them…...blumin lefty lawyers etc’
……while they **** themselves at how easy these people make it for them to continue their con.
When they are telling you that ‘It’s the woke! The woke agenda is to blame for everything! ’ what they are really saying is ‘Hoy! Pleb! Get back down in the dirt and know your place! Don‘t you dare start looking at what we are doing!’

Thats how I understand it, anyway.

It’s a clever thing really, because nobody likes to admit they might have been a little bit racist, a little bit misogynistic, a little bit homophobic etc and this gives people a massive shield to deploy whenever they are challenged to face up to the fact they are actually some/all of those things.
‘Here, mate, it’s not that you are racist, it’s the woke mob, they have gone too far! Everybody knows a little bit of racism/sexism/homophobia etc is ok and you are definitely within the acceptable limits….so don’t you worry about it pal……Just get angry at them for pointing out racism instead…….cos you know, they like riding bikes on the road and they are going to force you to eat more salads grrrrrrr’

It is hard and very uncomfortable for individuals to hold their hands up and acknowledge that from time to time, they may have been wrong, or even a bit racist, or a bit sexist etc The instigators or the culture wars and those who popularised the ‘woke’ term as a tool to stoke division know this only too well.

You sometimes have to give it to the right - they really do know how to be utter manipulative, devious, cunning *****.
 
BoroMart said:
yet when you talk about many of the subjects that people attack the left for being woke, 1-on-1 face to face they almost always back down and soften their right wing views when they are asked to back it up with facts. That's my experience of the average teessider.
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Yeah, I do this with my old man all the time, he's a right wing nut job.

He doesn't shut up about immigrants or benefits not going on "our people" etc, but anything he says is absolute b***ks. Thing is, the group he knocks about with are just as daft or the ones which aren't are the quiet lads, so there's nobody to counteract the arguments. Every time I do, or talk to one of them one on one I explain why they're talking ***** (as a group), the barrier breaks and they have nothing to back it up. Usually they just start mumbling, or try to deflect onto something else.
Some of them have changed views mind, usually the ones who are married to public sector workers etc.

That's why they FRNJ's don't like it here, as there's a lot of people fairly central, centre left, or left who know what they're on about and won't let it go when people are spouting absolute right/ far right shyte, built on a foundation of lies.

A lot of the right rely on intimidation or a threat of violence, which works in public, but doesn't really work on a forum, so they basically lose their main string to their bow.
 
Andy_W said:
That's why they FRNJ's don't like it here, as there's a lot of people fairly central, centre left, or left who know what they're on about and won't let it go when people are spouting absolute right/ far right shyte, built on a foundation of lies.

A lot of the right rely on intimidation or a threat of violence, which works in public, but doesn't really work on a forum, so they basically lose their main string to their bow.
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I can't think of any posters on here that any of that applies to. Past or present.
Any extreme nut job wouldn't last long anyway I wouldn't think. They wouldn't get chance to 'flounce'.

If someone simlply says they are a Tory that is usually enough to anger other posters and encourage some venom.

If someone says they are Labour it doesn't get the same reaction. Unless it is some Starmer/Corbyn in fighting I suppose.
 
RTG is an excellent forum with largely good posters. It should be a role model around how to build and monetise a site (users can pay to remove ads monthly or annually, pay a bit more to be a contributor, and would be able to manage Rob's fmttm subscriptions via that as well.

The forums are well split up into difrent interest groups and the website has a good front end

This place is decent now but in the old forum this must have looked like cavemen running around next to people on a spaceship.
 
Will_Graham said:
I don't know the circumstances behind this example, but why does any poster have to backup their political leaning on here? Unless they are always trying to convince others to change their own vote, which would be a bit odd on a mostly anonymous football message board.

If someone just says they vote for Labour, Conservative, Green Party or whatever - even if you disagree with them - that is their choice.
Why would they flounce just because of how they vote?
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Erinus was, largely, a good poster and people enjoyed his memorabilia and trivia but on many occasions he would happily gloat about voting for Brexit and be happy that he was alright, but if pulled up his expressed views on it would often play a bit of a victim card. The fact he went to red roar speaks volumes
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
Erinus was, largely, a good poster and people enjoyed his memorabilia and trivia but on many occasions he would happily gloat about voting for Brexit and be happy that he was alright, but if pulled up his expressed views on it would often play a bit of a victim card. The fact he went to red roar speaks volumes
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I disagree with this, why is it necessary to pull someone up about their political view on a football message board? You can disagree without 'labouring' the point so to speak imho!
 
Otto42 said:
I disagree with this, why is it necessary to pull someone up about their political view on a football message board? You can disagree without 'labouring' the point so to speak imho!
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If you're going to purposefully gloat about your stance on a message board at a time when people were losing their jobs etc you should not be surprised when people call you out for being an "I'm alright jack"
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
If you're going to purposefully gloat about your stance on a message board at a time when people were losing their jobs etc you should not be surprised when people call you out for being an "I'm alright jack"
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I think he had genuine reasons for the way he voted, as did most who voted for Brexit (I voted remain btw), I don't think many voted Brexit thinking 'that's great people will lose their jobs'!
 
Otto42 said:
I think he had genuine reasons for the way he voted, as did most who voted for Brexit (I voted remain btw), I don't think many voted Brexit thinking 'that's great people will lose their jobs'!
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My recollection is that he was actively trolling about it and then flounced when people took the bait.
 
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Otto42 said:
I think he had genuine reasons for the way he voted, as did most who voted for Brexit (I voted remain btw), I don't think many voted Brexit thinking 'that's great people will lose their jobs'!
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Nor do I, but several times on here he was expressing opinions of being glad he voted for Brexit even when the economy was crashing and businesses were closing. He would pop up in threads quite often about not it and happily mention it, then complain when people aren't thrilled about that. He knew what he was doing, he's not that naive.
 
Never understand the need for Boro fans to post on other club message boards usually starting with ‘I come in peace’ type statements. I am not in the least bit bothered about Sunderland, Newcastle Leeds or any other club. I am and always will be only interested in the Boro. I think Boro favs look a bit sad and pathetic posting on other clubs boards and seem to spend their time justifying their participation in the forum. Leave fan forums to actual fans.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
The issue was that he was actively trolling about it and then flounced when people took the bait.
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Are you sure? That's not how I remember him at all. Football & Music memories were his thing. His collection of Boro memorabilia was incredible.

In fact I've just looked at a big chunk of his posts before he left. In the few months before he left there was no trolling with only one mention of the fact that he voted Tory. And that was his very last post. Unless they have all been deleted.

It looks like people were having a go at anyone in general who voted Tory on that thread. Not erimus74 specifically but he took offence as it turned out he voted Tory.
A big loss to the board whoever he voted for.
 
I think the term ‘woke’ sounds really lame. Why does being decent need a moniker at all? Plus, I can’t abide being lectured to, told what to think etc.
the example of use, is church, despite believing in God, Jesus etc, I won’t attend, some cheeky fecker living in a free house telling me I’m a sinner etc.
had someone the other day berating me because of my ‘white privileged’ it’s that sort of b***ks that turns people off.
Just an opinion, mind I’m as guilty as the next for bulldozing people with my beliefs.
 
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