Akpom move

FabioPorkpie said:
You may well be right, but I very much doubt Carrick will be too pleased to hang around for a season , on the promise that ‘next season we’ll proper go for it Mickey’.
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I agree. It’s stupid to get lucky on two counts with a gifted manager and a brilliant player, and not build around them both.

Chuba had the best individual season we’ve had since Bamford. 29 goals speak for themselves but he brings so much more to the team, he’s irreplaceable.

It sends a terrible message to Carrick because you’ve got to get lucky again to replace Akpom. I’d have kept him for the season regardless of contract, he’s our key player by a mile - one of the best in the Championship - and if we got promoted, of course he’s going to stay. And the objective is getting promoted. Selling the guy who’s most likely to deliver that makes you think the objective is something else, and why would a talented young manager stick around for that?
 
FabioPorkpie said:
You may well be right, but I very much doubt Carrick will be too pleased to hang around for a season , on the promise that ‘next season we’ll proper go for it Mickey’.
One of the hottest young managerial talents in the country. Let’s hope the club back him now and get some quality in, and don’t spurn this opportunity.
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Absolutely this.
If we lose Carrick because we don't back him and then get in some journeyman like Pulis and give them money to spend then it'll be very hard to take Gibson seriously ever again.
 
Ash88 said:
And if we don't get promoted, £10 million walks away from us for free?
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Fair enough. I’d rather have the guarantee of a great player than gamble on trying to replace him, which might (and probably will) waste the £10m.

Promotion is worth £150m and we’ve got a manager who can do it. I know the financial realities are hard, but what’s the point otherwise?
 
I’m not doubting Carrick would rather have Akpom but he’s not daft. He’ll understand the club should sell for £10m plus instead of losing on a free.

We’ll spend some money. Probably not all of it but some will go back into the squad. We can’t just spunk millions every year.

Gibbo is putting a model in place now because he knows we need it as a long term plan for after he leaves. Plenty of other clubs have been successful with it.

It might seem tough now but we got big money for Spence after most would’ve sold for cheap before forest.

Most would’ve given Akpom away for free last year and nobody would have Hackney down as a starter. We’ll have another surprise package this year. UTB
 
Ash88 said:
And if we don't get promoted, £10 million walks away from us for free?
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Or pay him an extra 20 grand per week at a cost of approx a million per year for a new 3 year contract, and if we go up great. If we don’t, then we can sell him, and still get a good return.
Granted, we don’t know how much more £ he was after, or the clubs wage structure etc, but are we really thinking an extra a million per year in wages for Akpom would have been money poorly spent to keep him?
 
He has only done it over one season in his career to date.So I say on that basis cash in now with less than a year left.Bigger risk keeping him and discovering that he's a one hit wonder and then loose for nothing.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Chuba had the best individual season we’ve had since Bamford. 29 goals speak for themselves but he brings so much more to the team, he’s irreplaceable.
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Since Bamford? Do me a favour. I was sorry to lose him but the rose tinted nostalgia specs, always prone to being a bit OTT on here, have scaled new heights there. His “great season” yielded 12 goals. It’s an insult to Akpom even to compare the two. It’s delusion to think Bamford’s was better.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Or pay him an extra 20 grand per week at a cost of approx a million per year for a new 3 year contract, and if we go up great. If we don’t, then we can sell him, and still get a good return.
Granted, we don’t know how much more £ he was after, or the clubs wage structure etc, but are we really thinking an extra a million per year in wages for Akpom would have been money poorly spent to keep him?
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The problem with that is it goes back on a strict rule we've set (or it appears we've set) about wages - which then effects other current players and potential signings wanting more money.

I'd be happy to give Akpom an extra £1 million to stay personally, but it's not my money and I don't know what butterfly effect that causes.

There's also the potential that he doesn't do it again - his value more than doubled last season - it can drop by half again if he fails to deliver, and the forums would then fill with "we should have sold him".

Every option has it's risks.
 
Ash88 said:
And if we don't get promoted, £10 million walks away from us for free?
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We'd struggle to get out of this division with Akpom who, it seems, just wanted to get away, like Tav last year. No loyalty despite being given a good wage and helping to drag his career out of the gutter.

You cheer on these players, hero worship them, contribute to them being millionaires then they clear off and the club gets the blame for not spending even more money.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Since Bamford? Do me a favour. I was sorry to lose him but the rose tinted nostalgia specs, always prone to being a bit OTT on here, have scaled new heights there. His “great season” yielded 12 goals. It’s an insult to Akpom even to compare the two. It’s delusion to think Bamford’s was better.
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Bamford was the best player in the league that season, and is the best player I’ve seen play for us until Chuba last year.

Maybe Gaston in the promotion year gets a look in, but Bamford that year was unreal. Proper footballer, so intelligent and technical, it’s not all about goals. I’d put him above Adama on ‘what might have been’ for us.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
No loyalty despite being given a good wage and helping to drag his career out of the gutter.
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Before this season we literally told him he wasn't good enough time and time again. I'll hold my hands up and say I was one of the fans that didn't rate him - and I wasn't a minority. It was most of us.

As a club we sent him on loan to Greece, we sent him to train with the kids... I think Warnock even quoted something along the lines of him not being good enough, in public.

We didn't help drag his career out of the gutter. Akpom dragged his own career out of the gutter and we owe him nothing.

He's also been on quite an average championship wage - so he would have been a millionaire regardless - if we didn't pay his wages, another club would have.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
We'd struggle to get out of this division with Akpom who, it seems, just wanted to get away, like Tav last year. No loyalty despite being given a good wage and helping to drag his career out of the gutter.

You cheer on these players, hero worship them, contribute to them being millionaires then they clear off and the club gets the blame for not spending even more money.
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I want to keep him @Corcaigh_the_Cat but loyalty does cut both ways. We have shipped him out on loan and had him training with the under 23s a year ago, seemingly as he had no future here. I dont think he owes us anything and is pretty low on the Boro list of mercenaries.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
We'd struggle to get out of this division with Akpom who, it seems, just wanted to get away, like Tav last year. No loyalty despite being given a good wage and helping to drag his career out of the gutter.

You cheer on these players, hero worship them, contribute to them being millionaires then they clear off and the club gets the blame for not spending even more money.
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I think you are right, I think the players genuinely appreciate the support and adulation but at the end of the day they are one man businesses with advisors who just point them in the direction of maximum profit.

The fans are at one end of the emotional spectrum and the players are at the other.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I think you are right, I think the players genuinely appreciate the support and adulation but at the end of the day they are one man businesses with advisors who just point them in the direction of maximum profit.

The fans are at one end of the emotional spectrum and the players are at the other.
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Totally agree. No matter what business you're in... If a competitor offered you more money to do exactly the same job as you're doing now, would you take it? - I think most would. Is that disloyalty?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
We'd struggle to get out of this division with Akpom who, it seems, just wanted to get away, like Tav last year. No loyalty despite being given a good wage and helping to drag his career out of the gutter.

You cheer on these players, hero worship them, contribute to them being millionaires then they clear off and the club gets the blame for not spending even more money.
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Tav and Akpom have every right to want to move for whatever personal goal they have. Any one of us would assess new opportunities that may change the course of our lives. What loyalty did the club show to Chuba last Summer? None, they tried to force him out and very few fans, me included, would have been bothered had that happened. The fact he stepped up and achieved what he did was remarkable, credit to the club, its staff and Chuba himself in achieving an unforgettable season, nobody saw it coming. However he has gone to a champions league team, can anyone blame him, I’d have jumped at the chance in his shoes, he has secured his and more importantly his families future for life. I for one hope he smashes it, he owes us nothing.
 
Chuba worked like we are hoping our new signings will.

He was clearly a player with the attributes to be a top player but had never put it all together. Last season it clicked for him (it also should shut up a lot of our fans that talk about square pegs and round holes - players can play different positions with appropriate coaching).

Rogers is quick, with decent movement and a good touch, if he starts finding the back of the net he will be worth at least double what he was bought for and he will likely be sold for a profit.

Payero was competing with McCallister for a spot in the Argentinian Olympic team, if he puts it together he could be worth a load more than we bought him for.

A lot of the time it won't work, but it is relatively low risk high reward.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
You may well be right, but I very much doubt Carrick will be too pleased to hang around for a season , on the promise that ‘next season we’ll proper go for it Mickey’.
One of the hottest young managerial talents in the country. Let’s hope the club back him now and get some quality in, and don’t spurn this opportunity.
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Carrick was a player not too long ago. He knows how it is.
 
starplayer said:
I cant see us spending the whole fee on other players. We do have to pay them a salary, unless there’s another pot for wages?
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Akpom was earning twice the average champ wage and the kids we’ve signed this year will be on relatively low wages. The wage bill will be looking pretty healthy today
 
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