Anti vaxers

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Uwefuchs

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Do you know any? If so how would you react to them?

We are supposed to be meeting my wife's friend and her family later in the week and I've just found out that her and her husband are refusing to get the vaccine.

My first reaction is feeling annoyed about it but my wife says we should respect their decision. They are really nice people, we have always got along really well and we have kids of a similar age.

Apparently they've said that having previously had the virus they are confident that they could fight it off again, also they don't feel that there is enough evidence to indicate that being vaccinated reduces the chances of catching it or passing it on to others. They are both pretty intelligent people, both university educated so I don't think they are selfish or lack the ability to (usually) make informed decisions.

I wondered whether they're right and maybe I've missed something but I've looked at a couple of pretty robust looking research papers, from reputable sources with huge sample sizes and the research suggests that being vaccinated reduces the chance of catching the virus and reduces the chance of passing it to others.

I know it'll come up in conversation and its going to be hard to sit there and bite my tongue. Not only that we've just finished 10 days of isolation so I'm not too excited about the proposition of meeting people who are potentially higher risk than the average family.

What would you do?
 
Borotommo said:
Tell them you’re not going, as you feel unhappy they are comfortable to put you and your family at risk
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Yeah thats my first thought but I don't think the Mrs will want to spend the rest of her life avoiding them. We're probably going to have to see them at some point.
 
Maybe ask them to take a PCR test and get proof of 5 day isolation, and fit them with masks before entering your house, plastics cups, throw-away utensils for the ensuing party [maybe], and have them pay for the deep clean on their exit then I think you should be covered!!
 
Just tell them that as cases are rising and that unvaccinated people are more at risk of carrying and spreading the virus that could potentially put your family at risk and that is not a chance your willing to take at present. Just say you will look forward to their company when it is much safer, ie when they are double jabbed or the figures in the area are low.

If they can’t respect your concerns, then they are not worth being with anyway.
 
Vikster said:
There loss. Me and my partner both have covid. Ambulance out yesterday as my partner could not breath. Without the vaccine sure she would be in ICU now
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Sorry to hear about that, yeah I think the current covid figures produced by the government are evidence that the vaccine is working.
 
coluka said:
Just tell them that as cases are rising and that unvaccinated people are more at risk of carrying and spreading the virus that could potentially put your family at risk and that is not a chance your willing to take at present. Just say you will look forward to their company when it is much safer, ie when they are double jabbed or the figures in the area are low.

If they can’t respect your concerns, then they are not worth being with anyway.
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Nicely put.
 
www.nationalreview.com

Convincing the Skeptics | National Review

Vaccine resisters can’t be persuaded if they feel disrespected.
www.nationalreview.com www.nationalreview.com

pjmedia.com

MIT Study: Vaccine Hesitancy Is 'Highly Informed, Scientifically Literate,' and 'Sophisticated'

Vaccine hesitancy is a big problem, according to the Biden administration.
pjmedia.com pjmedia.com

Two interesting articles I read today that raised some interesting points around dealing with vaccine hesitancy. They are not very long. Though they focus on the USA I think they apply to the UK equally.

Edit: just to be clear im not endorsing pjmedia, or anything anti vax, but it was an easily digestible article on the study. Theres another here: https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-covid-data-doesnt-equal-more-understanding-0304 if that source is more palatable.
And an interview here that ends with a nice statement about the nature of reality: https://slate.com/technology/2021/03/covid-skeptics-critical-thinking-research.html

Just interesting stuff! give people more credit, less condescension (generally, not from you), more understanding. Same ***** I always post whenever I do on these topics, i guess.
 
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Probably the most difficult situation is when your spouse refuses to take the vaccine, while you decide to take it-- what then?
 
In this particular case I'd cancel based on the current numbers and make a point about vaccine uptake being the only safe driver for a covid-free future (in so far as we can be free of anything like this).

I have no problem with it being a personal choice as long as people who choose not to have the vaccine, with no exceptional circumstance, don't complain about the consequences of those choices - e.g. vaccine passports.

I think they should be obliged to carry a bell, though - ringing it and shouting "Unclean!" as they wander through town.

The whole thing is very utilitarian when you get down to it - the hope is that you, personally, aren't going to be one of the death statistics from either pot (covid or vaccine-reaction).

The maths supports getting the vaccine.
 
I have a mate who just constantly posts links on FB about people with blood clots etc. Just an absolute lune. He also blamed 5G in the early days.

The majority of his websites are from people with no scientific back grounds. God knows where he finds them😂.

The funny thing is that he's actually 'pretty normal' and just has gone strange over covid. He has 3 kids under 12 and refuses to get vaccinated or wear a mask. I simply don't understand why. I know I'm maybe being dramatic but he could leave his wife and kids without a husband / dad if he died from it.

Then again it would be interesting to see if he changed his tune if he was hospitalised from it. I'd love to show the nurses treating him his Facebook posts.

I saw him a few weeks ago and said 'I'm gonna bring you a role of tinfoil' and he asked why. I said 'make a new hat' lol.
 
I think you should go. As your wife says, respect their decision. It will cause more problems with your wife.
If you go to the football match, supermarket, train or bus etc, you could be sat next to someone who has not been vaccinated.
At some point in our lives, we have to get back to normal. Maybe going to their house will relieve some of that anxiety and you could take a step towards normality.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I have a mate who just constantly posts links on FB about people with blood clots etc. Just an absolute lune. He also blamed 5G in the early days.

The majority of his websites are from people with no scientific back grounds. God knows where he finds them😂.

The funny thing is that he's actually 'pretty normal' and just has gone strange over covid. He has 3 kids under 12 and refuses to get vaccinated or wear a mask. I simply don't understand why. I know I'm maybe being dramatic but he could leave his wife and kids without a husband / dad if he died from it.

Then again it would be interesting to see if he changed his tune if he was hospitalised from it. I'd love to show the nurses treating him his Facebook posts.

I saw him a few weeks ago and said 'I'm gonna bring you a role of tinfoil' and he asked why. I said 'make a new hat' lol.
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Apparently there are just 12 people who have originated the majority of social media anti-vax posts.


Covid misinformation
 
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