Anybody Just see The Ending to the England v India Womens ODI at Lord’s?
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RoaryTheLion
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Nobody is saying that spirit of the game is a myth (at least I’m not). The point is that it has to work both ways. Do you think batsmen gaining an advantage by leaving their crease early is in the spirit of the game?
Zain
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Bowler was well into her action by the time the batter left her crease. If that's how we're now resorting to getting batters out then there'll be wickets tumbling every game.
I would understand if the batter was leaving the crease early to gain an advantage but that was never the case. Very distasteful and unsavoury way to end a series.
I would understand if the batter was leaving the crease early to gain an advantage but that was never the case. Very distasteful and unsavoury way to end a series.
Jedi boro
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I get we have our own opinions but it seems the England cricket (male) team players aren’t happy either.
Zoophonic
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I am not saying you did, Malagueña literally wrote it. Anyway MCC seemingly on the side of India and making it perfectly clear in future Mankad away if a batter leaves his or her crease. I think its a dangerous road to go down
MCC statement on Mankad incident in IPL match | Lord's
MCC statement on the ‘Mankad’ incident in the IPL match between Kings XI Punjab and Rajasthan Royals, in which R Ashwin ran out Jos Buttler.
www.lords.org
Abel Tasman
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Whatever your views on the Mankad, I think it (and Kaur's interview response) are significant markers for the development of women's cricket. No more nicey-nicey: this is serious int'l cricket played to win and never mind about making friends and being paragons of virtue. Mankad the Indian batsmen when the opportunity comes along and the opportunities will present themselves. See how they like it. The ICC and MCC have painted it as a very legitimate tactic.
RoaryTheLion
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Apologies. I didn’t see what Malagueña had posted.I am not saying you did, Malagueña literally wrote it. Anyway MCC seemingly on the side of India and making it perfectly clear in future Mankad away if a batter leaves his or her crease. I think its a dangerous road to go down
MCC statement on Mankad incident in IPL match | Lord's
MCC statement on the ‘Mankad’ incident in the IPL match between Kings XI Punjab and Rajasthan Royals, in which R Ashwin ran out Jos Buttler.
Your article is somewhat dated. Just a few days ago, the ICC reclassified the “mankad “ as a runout rather than “unfair play”. Seems incredibly logical. In all other aspects of the game, if you are out of your crease and the fielding team breaks the stumps (run out, stumped) then you are out.
Zoophonic
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Oops posted the wrong statement. This was put out today.
MCC statement on Run-out at Non-Striker's End at Lord's | Lord's
MCC release a statement on the Run Out of Charlie Dean during India's victory over England at Lord's.
www.lords.org
homesickblues
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When I used to play cricket in NYSD fielders in my team would tip me off if a batsman was backing up too far. A gentle word was all it usually took to make them stop.
Malaguena
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That's exactly what it is - as soon as Sky and the like started pumping money into the game, the win (and earn prize money) at all costs mentality (professionalism if you prefer) took over and the likes of walking when you know you've nicked the ball, not claiming a catch when you know you've scooped it off the floor etc was lost.
Even having said that, I say again - if the non-striker doesn't leave the crease before the bowler releases the ball, there'd be nothing to debate
Ian Bairds Ears
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Its totally legitimate and sour grapes by the naive English batswoman....
Just like baseball pitcher to 1st base to catch the over eager runner.
I'm embarrassed they are winging...
Take it on the chin.....learn from it ...be better next time
Just like baseball pitcher to 1st base to catch the over eager runner.
I'm embarrassed they are winging...
Take it on the chin.....learn from it ...be better next time
Billy Horner
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100% this.
Anyone who has played league cricket will tell you this is a perfectly legitimate dismissal (albeit the done thing is to warn the batter first). It’s only in the professional game that they seem to think it’s unconscionable.
In a tight game, the senior partner trying to get back on strike by only running 20 yards instead of 22 is clearly trying to gain an unfair advantage.
Cardiffdaffs
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There is a cracking clip on Youtube of a bowler in an India league game doing it and the batter run out tries to attack him in disgust.
Cardiffdaffs
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Yes the key word is warn. In yesterdays case no warning was given of course. Ive always played cricket where the convention has always been to warn a batsman backing up too far to stop it. Why that wasn't adopted in the new rules I don't know. I agree with you Kosovo I have never seen a Mankad done at all in any club cricket I played in.
Billy Horner
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Well I only played 12 seasons and, whilst I never saw a run out, I’ve seen plenty of warnings.
I really don’t understand why this dismissal is supposedly unsporting but if a batter momentarily overbalances and lifts their foot fractionally of the ground, the keeper whipping the bails off is good wicketkeeping. Similarly, if the batter drives the ball back down the pitch and the bowler gets a fingertip on it before the ball clatters into the stumps leaving the non-striker stranded, that’s just bad luck.
They’re all dismissals of batters being out of their ground when they shouldn’t be.
Abel Tasman
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Ok so if you don't see a mankad as any different to a stumping presumably then you wouldn't have a problem in a bowler trying numerous mankads in the hope that a batsman following up has left the crease? In fact the bowler might perfect a good technique for fooling the batter he is going to bowl only to whip the bales off and appeal and send him back to the pavillion.
Jedi boro
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No you’re wrong as I wondered if someone would make that baseball comparison.
Baseball do indeed throw to first base but they have to then make the throw as to fake a throw is called a balk.
The bowler had no intention of bowling so in base ball equivalence it wouldn’t be allowed.
Do in effect a balk.
A balk occurs when a pitcher makes an illegal motion on the mound that the umpire deems to be deceitful to the runner(s). As a result, any men on base are awarded the next base, and the pitch (if it was thrown in the first place) is waved off for a dead ball.