Anybody Just see The Ending to the England v India Womens ODI at Lord’s?

Cardiffdaffs said:
Remember the end to a ODI about 30 years ago between Aus and NZ. Nz needed a 6 off the last ball and Greg Chappell the Aussie captain instructed his brother who was bowling to roll the ball under arm along the ground to stop him hitting the 6. The rules allowed him to do that

The fall out was massive as it wasn’t in the spirit of the game. They changed the rules.
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Didn’t we do this to BradMan as well in his final game to stop him Getting a better average
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Remember the end to a ODI about 30 years ago between Aus and NZ. Nz needed a 6 off the last ball and Greg Chappell the Aussie captain instructed his brother who was bowling to roll the ball under arm along the ground to stop him hitting the 6. The rules allowed him to do that

The fall out was massive
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This incident still burns and p1sses us off. They brought out a new underarm deodorant after that game. They called it Chappelli.
 
Definitely not in the spirit of the game, especially as the series was already won.

But the batsman had wandered down the crease to such an extent the bowler has seen her, stopped mid action, looked, and whipped the bails off. Batsman no chance at all of getting back in crease as she was down the wicket by a couple of yards. Needing 17 off 30 balls this probably wasn't necessary?

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h_m_boro said:
Definitely not in the spirit of the game, especially as the series was already won.

But the batsman had wandered down the crease to such an extent the bowler has seen her, stopped mid action, looked, and whipped the bails off. Batsman no chance at all of getting back in crease as she was down the wicket by a couple of yards. Needing 17 off 30 balls this probably wasn't necessary?

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This still suggests otherwise.

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.its a clear cynical plot by the bowler and probably the captain to end the game that way. India have previous for it. Even the umpire was shocked and you could see his face thinking “you’ve got to be kidding me”.
 
h_m_boro said:
Wind it on further to the actual point where the bowler realises the batsman has "jumped the gun" backing up, and when she actually whips the bails off the batsman is a couple of yards out of the crease with zero hope of getting back even with a dive.
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The point is the batsmen has anticipated the bowler following through with her action - its a natural thing to do. The bowler in that still is clearly halfway through delivering the ball and the batter is still in the crease. Bowlers don’t stop in mid action by accident and do that. It’s done with aforethought and therefore in spirit with the game wrong In my view.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Remember the end to a ODI about 30 years ago between Aus and NZ. Nz needed a 6 off the last ball and Greg Chappell the Aussie captain instructed his brother who was bowling to roll the ball under arm along the ground to stop him hitting the 6. The rules allowed him to do that

The fall out was massive as it wasn’t in the spirit of the game. They changed the rules.
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I remember it well. I was sat in a farmhouse in Whakatane watching it live on TV with wife's uncle....there was a massive hoo ha in NZ over it with the NZ PM even getting involved if my memory serves me right...I did buy a t-shirt in Auckland a short time later with "Australians have an under arm problem" emblazoned on it ( I have a better one now mind)
All in the rules but on a sportsmanship level,it stinks..
 
Credit to the English girls for shaking hands after that, many of the Indian players look bemused/embarrassed. Legal but...
Shabby
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
The point is the batsmen has anticipated the bowler following through with her action - its a natural thing to do. The bowler in that still is clearly halfway through delivering the ball and the batter is still in the crease. Bowlers don’t stop in mid action by accident and do that. It’s done with aforethought and therefore in spirit with the game wrong In my view.
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I'm not disagreeing, it's completely against the spirit of the game.

Within the spirit of the game a warning to batter from bowler is usually sufficient to stop excessive backing up. "Next time, I'll take the bails off". This clearly wasn't done, so first offence equalled game over.

But there was a loss of concentration from the batter, keen to get on for the potential quick single, and she wandered down the crease. No problem with that with a fast bowler, but a spinner has more time to see what's going on. Which sadly she did.......

Underarm bowling, aluminium bats, bouncers at tail ender's, batsmen not walking.......stick this on the list 😬😬
 
h_m_boro said:
I'm not disagreeing, it's completely against the spirit of the game.

Within the spirit of the game a warning to batter from bowler is usually sufficient to stop excessive backing up. "Next time, I'll take the bails off". This clearly wasn't done, so first offence equalled game over.

But there was a loss of concentration from the batter, keen to get on for the potential quick single, and she wandered down the crease. No problem with that with a fast bowler, but a spinner has more time to see what's going on. Which sadly she did.......

Underarm bowling, aluminium bats, bouncers at tail ender's, batsmen not walking.......stick this on the list 😬😬
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We will disagree. You say it was an impromptu reaction from the bowler I’m saying it was a cynical premeditated act. All I will add is why is it Indian players who always get embroiled in controversies like this. Mankad, Ashwin, here is a clip from Ashwin a few years ago. The rule then was if the bowler start his action of bowling the ball he must complete It. There is no doubt the Indian bowler yesterday did do so. Now the rules are changing but don’t come into force apparently until Oct 1st. In the Ashwin incident the captain withdrew Ashwin’s appeal.



And here is Kapil Dev doing it to Peter Kirsten

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Malaguena said:
There wouldn't have been this debate if the English batsperson hadn't been cheating and leaving her crease before the ball was bowled - that's not in this mythical "spirit of cricket" either
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Lot of cheating goes on then. Slow down and pause on any delivery from a bowler to the point where the leading arm is at the top of the delivery action and I bet you half of the batters at the non striking end have left their crease. It’s just natural and not consciously trying to gain advantage.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
We will disagree. You say it was an impromptu reaction from the bowler I’m saying it was a cynical premeditated act. All I will add is why is it Indian players who always get embroiled in controversies like this. Mankad, Ashwin, here is a clip from Ashwin a few years ago. The rule then was if the bowler start his action of bowling the ball he must complete It. There is no doubt the Indian bowler yesterday did do so. Now the rules are changing but don’t come into force apparently until Oct 1st. In the Ashwin incident the captain withdrew Ashwin’s appeal.



And here is Kapil Dev doing it to Peter Kirsten

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Definitely not disagreeing with your point, and absolutely was pre meditated. Bowler has noticed the batter doing this (backing up a bit keen), and has whipped the bails off. Not good.
 
Malaguena said:
There wouldn't have been this debate if the English batsperson hadn't been cheating and leaving her crease before the ball was bowled - that's not in this mythical "spirit of cricket" either
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Bit sad to be honest reading comments like this saying the spirit of the game is a myth. Guess it’s the onset of professionalism and “win at all costs”. There is a Corinthian spirit left in sport but you don’t see it very often in professional sports these days and certainly not in Indian sport.
 
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