Boro borrow £7m against Akpom transfer

[uncle_rico]

what decisions are you embarrassed about and quistioning ? - can you (without waiting for someone else) provide details of these decisions that have seen you become embarrassed whilst quistioning his judgement.

Players ?

Managers?

Staff?

Grass?

Seats?

Food?

Team Bus?

Kit Selection?



asking for a trick-cyclist i know.

Managers - Southgate, Strachan, Monk, Pulis, Agnew, Woodgate.

Staff - Scott, Bausor.

Seats - the stadium is run down. It looks a mess and is surrounded by wasteland (some of which I know is the council's responsibility). Would a few new seats and a lick of paint really hurt? The corrugated plastic at the back of the stands is covered in moss FFS! He got the stadium on the cheap and it shows.

Most of all, we charge extortionate ticket prices, both ST and walk ups. Gibson and the club are out of touch with the local community.

 

[Paulh10]

The decision making let's say appointing Southgate when he wasn't ready but sacking him when he was getting it right, replacing him with Strachan doing it in a dishonest way.Failing to appoint an experienced man to work in woodgate, appointing Agnew after awful timing with the karanka sacking.Making stumped comments winding his own fans up who pay well hard earned money to support his club in calling Stockton people makems.His timing is quistionable when it's obvious to to fans changes are needed, backing monk with astaunionate transfer fees when it was obvious it well over the odds.Now running the club on bank loans making things a bigger mess.

 

[Nano]

Managers - Southgate, Strachan, Monk, Pulis, Agnew, Woodgate.

Staff - Scott, Bausor.

Seats - the stadium is run down. It looks a mess and is surrounded by wasteland (some of which I know is the council's responsibility). Would a few new seats and a lick of paint really hurt? The corrugated plastic at the back of the stands is covered in moss FFS! He got the stadium on the cheap and it shows.

Most of all, we charge extortionate ticket prices, both ST and walk ups. Gibson and the club are out of touch with the local community.

Don't forget the club badge designed by a kids drawing competition, terrible kit supply issues and awful quality (and prices). I'd also add in the embarassingly out of touch letter of support for James Wharton he sent to fans, his antics around the development/corruption issue etc.

Also "Smash the league" and "Stockton is full of mackems" which is alienating half his fanbase.

 

[BoroMart]

But don't then let your manager say the aim is autos.

that should always be the aim, even if it's more than a little optmistic.

 

[newyddion]

Gibson has failed in the last 15+years simply hasn't got the funds to run a bigger club in modern day football and his decision making has been quistionable almost embarrassing at times.Alot different now than say the 90s simply can't cut it.

I disagree, plenty of clubs would love to swap our position and standing over the past 15+

Comparisons with our galactico years just doesn’t come into it.

We pinch above our weight and will continue to do so.

 

[Paulh10]

I’ve come to the conclusion that your not really a boro supporter - as you clearly don’t support anything the club do - and I just knew you would wait for some one else to reply first - thank god for uncle rico

Ill always support the the Boro but don't agree with the way Gibson does things.

 

[coluka]

We pinch above our weight and will continue to do so.

There is nothing big or clever about theft newy, we don’t need a points deduction down the line.

 

[Paulh10]

I disagree, plenty of clubs would love to swap our position and standing over the past 15+

Comparisons with our galactico years just doesn’t come into it.

We pinch above our weight and will continue to do so.

It's sad way of looking at it.we need to be more ambitious than to look at it like that,that explains a lot really in the way to see the club just plodding along getting in bigger debt just existing with a bit of excitement here and there ,then sack the manager then round and round we go.

 

[1finny]

I’ve come to the conclusion that your not really a boro supporter - as you clearly don’t support anything the club do - and I just knew you would wait for some one else to reply first - thank god for uncle rico

Pretty low that fella - saying someone isn’t a supporter just because you are in disagreement.

We are all coming from the same place -just a modicum of success for the football team for the community to get behind.

 

[Paulh10]

I’ve come to the conclusion that your not really a boro supporter - as you clearly don’t support anything the club do - and I just knew you would wait for some one else to reply first - thank god for uncle rico

Uncle Rico knows the score.

 

[indeedido]

Gibson totally refutes what you say. Especially about the equity.

Just stop it Rob, really.
If he had injected equity into the club it would show - it has to show - in the Club accounts.
He last did so in 2016.
He has done so on 4 earlier occasions. £1m was the initial shares bought by Moscowitz, ICI and S&N, plus his own small initial stake. He bought the rest at cost to get full control.
1. £26m in 2001 to clear club debt (and is still shown as Capital Contribution on the Balance Sheet).
2. £50m in 2012 to convert Group Undertakings that covered losses nobody else would loan to cover.
3. £5m in 2014 as above.
4. £8m in 2016 as above and to partially offset the huge loss made in the promotion year.
£90m in total.
Under FFP he can inject £8m per year. He hasn't.
He provides loans. Nobody else will - banks included.
It may be that the Group Undertakings are loans that must convert to equity over time. I believe this type of facility is permissable as an FFP offset, as with Equity. But this is a moot point given we have had no FFP issues since 2016.

If he totally refutes it then I'd like him to do so. Him telling you it's nonsense doesn't make it so. Surely you see that?

I know the Club can't operate without GON loans. I know he has to keep extending to cover the losses he makes.
I don't believe he over charges fans - as I have repeatedly posted since he released the SC detail fairly recently.

But the actions he has taken are as a consequence of the decisions HE has made over 30 years - and especially the last 15.

Steve Gibson is not the same as Middlesbrough FC. It will be here long after he has passed.

 

[mercury_redstone7]

what decisions are you embarrassed about and quistioning ? - can you (without waiting for someone else) provide details of these decisions that have seen you become embarrassed whilst quistioning his judgement.

Players ?

Managers?

Staff?

Grass?

Seats?

Food?

Team Bus?

Kit Selection?



asking for a trick-cyclist i know.

I wouldn't pay them a lot of mind Johnny, like I did mention before, look at the names, they've always been the same I expect it from them. You wouldn't want them as mates would you?

 

[1finny]

‘Steve Gibson is not the same as Middlesbrough FC. It will be here long after he has passed.’

Thank You fella - The club was here long before him and will belong after.
There will be a club as long as the community want one.

 

[Aztec chimera]

It means that if we don't go up we will have to keep selling and keep borrowing against future income. Yes, it keeps the debt down but surely it highlights that Gibson is not covering the running costs anymore. I'm not sure this is a good thing, unless maybe he's looking to sell (or get outside investment) and doesn't want anymore debt in the club?

Not sure borrowing money can be seen as keeping debt down.

 

[Paulh10]

Not sure borrowing money can be seen as keeping debt down.

Exactly

 

[newyddion]

There is nothing big or clever about theft newy, we don’t need a points deduction down the line.

 

[newyddion]

It's sad way of looking at it.we need to be more ambitious than to look at it like that,that explains a lot really in the way to see the club just plodding along getting in bigger debt just existing with a bit of excitement here and there ,then sack the manager then round and round we go.

we are ambitions.. we got promoted to the premier league..
we spent £50m to try and get back to the premier league
We sacked Woodgate to have a bigger chance of staying in the championship.. we sacked Warnock to have a better chance long term.. in the premier league.. we sacked Wilder as we were not moving forward with him.. Carrick is progress.. our league positions show progress,

Premier League is the aim and we are going for it within our means.. beyond that does not guarantee success.

i'm happy we are trying and look forward to seeing us continue to improve.

 

[Nano]

I disagree, plenty of clubs would love to swap our position and standing over the past 15+

Comparisons with our galactico years just doesn’t come into it.

We pinch above our weight and will continue to do so.

We have not punched above our weight in the last 15 years at all. We've been below our historical average for all those years except 1 (I believe we're 21st in the all time league table and we finished 19th once in that time).

We've been nowhere near cup finals or anything in that time. The decade before then yes, we definitely did, but in the last 15 years we've done nowt.

 

[Caesium137]

that should always be the aim, even if it's more than a little optmistic.

Yeah, but maybe a sort of 'it'll be difficult with the financial power of the other teams, but with a bit luck with injuries and maintaining good form, we can be there or there about at the end of the season'.

Only a little thing I know, but surely knowing the clubs who were coming down, and presumably knowing fine well our budget and that we were recruiting from lesser European leagues and the Aussie league, that a bare 'automatic' response just seems daft.

 

[newyddion]

We have not punched above our weight in the last 15 years at all. We've been below our historical average for all those years except 1 (I believe we're 21st in the all time league table and we finished 19th once in that time).

We've been nowhere near cup finals or anything in that time. The decade before then yes, we definitely did, but in the last 15 years we've done nowt.

Look at our peers.. Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton, Wigan.. etc etc

We have consistently been above them season on season.

No where near in terms of cup finals? I bet we’ve done better than our peers.

We are not a top six premier league club.. strolling into Europe season on season.. we are a mid table championship club.

The clubs that are on our level in terms of finance, fan base are all below us and have been all through Gibson’s ownership.