Boro Fan - 3 Year Ban

HarryVegas said:
Perhaps we should have a poll. Hands up anyone who stands up at a match and tries to goad opposition fans into a fight by calling them what he did...
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As much as football is a game of chess, a ballet it is very also very much a pantomime. Shouts of ‘he’s behind you’ move to the stands ‘you’re not singing anymore’ - to pretend that this is not an adult game, with a very adult atmosphere is absolute nonsense. Concourse s stripped down high price pubs, functionality over form. Everywhere plastered with gambling companies, opportunities to gamble.

Now the situation with Derby, a cheating chairman brought to task by our very own. The same chairman with his receivers that tried to blame Derby’s woe onto our actions. This didn’t just stop with Steve Gibson, it was expended onto the club, the fans our town.

Understandably upset Derby County fans set out to cause trouble as I’ve stated before a tirade of online threats of violence, destruction of property, dirty protest etc etc

A volatile atmosphere was created by Derby which in turn motivated their fans to act in such a way that would no doubt provoke some of our fans to sing and chant derogatory comments, call them (rightly so) fcuking vvankers and unfortunately call their bluff, calling them out when it came to unnecessary uncalled for unjust threats of extreme violence.

To take any other view that these banning orders are ridiculous and should be overturned takes an extremely high level of naivety and a complete lack of understanding for what was unfolding how it was created and what it meant in terms of legal activity and justice.

If Derby had been banned from the fixture I would have thought it unfortunate, but understandable in view of the number of threats (including death threats) This was taken note of and action was taken including increased security surrounding our chairman.

It makes no sense, I hope that the club use some of the money they’ve gained from gambling sponsorship to appeal these unjust decisions.
 
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Glover_elbow said:
When liverpool and man utd or celtic rangers fans sing abusive songs at each other are the police going to go in and arrest thousands.

unless the remarks are directly threatening then I don't see how its an offence. its not a hate crime ,so such name calling in any other walk of life wouldn't have got to court.
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It’s went to court and judge has agreed it’s an offence, are we saying our judges are making the wrong decisions in the eye of the law?
 
are you all arguing that any public protest in the uk where theres an atmosphere of hostile chanting like the climate protests, going all the way back to the miners strike in the 80s which can be seen to intimidate or upset other people mainly the police is an arrestable offence.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
We're saying is it really in the public interest to push ahead with a case like this, especially when the courts are under increasing pressure....
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I would say it is given the increase in anti social behaviour in football. These fans who gesture and posture are probably the ones more likely to headbutt players in the future

Therefore a deterrent could be classed as being in the public interest
 
GazC_MFC said:
I would say it is given the increase in anti social behaviour in football. These fans who gesture and posture are probably the ones more likely to headbutt players in the future

Therefore a deterrent could be classed as being in the public interest
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What? Fans who make vvanker gestures to opposition fans threatening violence are more likely to headbutt players in the future?

Utter madness and a giant leap into the unknown from no fixed point, no rhyme or reason behind what you are saying.
 
newyddion said:
What? Fans who make vvanker gestures to opposition fans threatening violence are more likely to headbutt players in the future?

Utter madness and a giant leap into the unknown from no fixed point, no rhyme or reason behind what you are saying.
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Yobs are yobs

Similarly people who are gesturing at a match are more likely to be the ones in the bogs at half time.

I didn’t say the person doing gestures would end up headbutt, just more likely than someone who isn’t doing it
 
GazC_MFC said:
I would say it is given the increase in anti social behaviour in football. These fans who gesture and posture are probably the ones more likely to headbutt players in the future

Therefore a deterrent could be classed as being in the public interest
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What utter utter codswallop..

i am arresting you on the grounds of deterrent as you look like a trouble causer.


Its not the polices job to arrest people on the vaguest of vague presumption, that some player may or may not get be headbutted in the future or any other crime for that matter. Its not 1930s Germany
 
Glover_elbow said:
What utter utter codswallop..

i am arresting you on the grounds of deterrent as you look like a trouble causer.


Its not the polices job to arrest people on the vaguest of vague presumption, that some player may or may not get be headbutted in the future.
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But they’ve committed an offence in the eyes of the law and have been convicted.

It’s actually the polices job to arrest people when they do.

It’s not about deterring head butting people it’s about deterring anti social behaviour that is on the increase at football matches
 
GazC_MFC said:
Yobs are yobs

Similarly people who are gesturing at a match are more likely to be the ones in the bogs at half time.

I didn’t say the person doing gestures would end up headbutt, just more likely than someone who isn’t doing it
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Those who make hand gestures at matches are more likely to use cocaine?

and for clarification those making hand gestures are more likely to enter the field of play and headbutt players?
 
Nero said:
It might seem harsh but what do people really expect. The Derby games last season were expected to be feisty, so fans acting in a way that could result in things kicking off was that last thing the authorities wanted.

Besides, can people really not watch a game of football without getting angry? What's the point in all the posturing to opposition fans, shouting abuse at players and getting worked up about referee decisions?
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I do get angry at matches, even though I try not to; though it’s either at the ref or our inept forward line.
 
newyddion said:
Those who make hand gestures at matches are more likely to use cocaine?

and for clarification those making hand gestures are more likely to enter the field of play and headbutt players?
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Yes, people who commit anti solical behaviour are more likely to commit other anti social behaviour. It’s not a hard correlation to make

Let’s not forget these fans have been arrested outside the ground from what I can see. This isn’t goading fans in the stadium.

One was goading fans infront on police while the derby fans were being escorted. It’s idiotic really.
 
newyddion said:
Those who make hand gestures at matches are more likely to use cocaine?

and for clarification those making hand gestures are more likely to enter the field of play and headbutt players?
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and should be arrested as such as an antisocial behaviour deterrent
 
Glover_elbow said:
What utter utter codswallop..

i am arresting you on the grounds of deterrent as you look like a trouble causer.


Its not the polices job to arrest people on the vaguest of vague presumption, that some player may or may not get be headbutted in the future or any other crime for that matter. Its not 1930s Germany
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Utter madness isn’t it!

Imagine getting arrested for calling a Derby fan a vvanker! I’m surprised it want thrown out in court!

The same Derby fans wanting Steve Gibson dead, asking all the local football firms to join in the violence aimed at our fans and town.. oh and wanting a mass dirty protest in the concourse and wanting to smash everything up.

(make vvanker sign to all of those Derby fans)
 
i am all for arresting people who commit football violence or any racist behaviour, But heres the difference you cant arrest just select few who make alleged anti social behaviour at a football match, because its probably 40% of the crowd at some games probably more at celtic vs rangers match.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Let’s not forget these fans have been arrested outside the ground from what I can see. This isn’t goading fans in the stadium.

One was goading fans infront on police while the derby fans were being escorted. It’s idiotic really.
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A few people commenting seem to be missing this point or haven't read the articles properly. This isn't making hand gestures across the stands or calling the opposition keeper a fat b****d.

This is groups of aggressive men (presumably) shouting and goading each other in the street. It's one step away from becoming a physical confrontation and might well have been if police weren't there. Only takes a couple of idiots.

If you think that's acceptable, particularly given there'll almost certainly have been families and young children walking past, there's something wrong with you.

And you would obviously be as likely to be charged with a public order offence if you did that sort of thing well away from a football match too.
 
Glover_elbow said:
i am all for arresting people who commit football violence or any racist behaviour, But heres the difference you cant arrest just select few who make alleged anti social behaviour at a football match, because its probably 40% of the crowd at some games probably more at celtic vs rangers match.
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Hurtful words and hand gestures aren’t football violence. Some words and gestures could be racism.. but folks can’t be arrested for no racist football chants and gestures.
 
festa5 said:
A few people commenting seem to be missing this point or haven't read the articles properly. This isn't making hand gestures across the stands or calling the opposition keeper a fat b****d.

This is groups of aggressive men (presumably) shouting and goading each other in the street. It's one step away from becoming a physical confrontation and might well have been if police weren't there. Only takes a couple of idiots.

If you think that's acceptable, particularly given there'll almost certainly have been families and young children walking past, there's something wrong with you.

And you would obviously be as likely to be charged with a public order offence if you did that sort of thing well away from a football match too.
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would you arrest anti fascist supporters for goading and shouting at the likes of tommy robinson and his supporters.
 
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