Can you admit that Southgate is doing a great job yet?

Remember, this is a French team who had not kept a single clean sheet so far in this tournament and played the likes of Tunisia, Australia and Poland! Their defence isn't great and yet we were restricted to long distance shots or hoping for a few penalties in the game. That's not good enough.
they didn't give loads of opportunities up in any game though. The penalties are a result of cheating to avoid giving up good chances. add in Kanes 1-vs-1 and maguires header and there are 5 great opportunities as well as some decent edge of the box ones.

We created 5 great opportunities, they created 3. That's how it goes with the better teams
 
We created 5 great opportunities, they created 3. That's how it goes with the better teams
Those aren't great opportunities. You can't just rely on penalties during the game.

One of them wasn't even given as a penalty so it's not even an opportunity.

Even looking at the NPxG, we were below France.

If we wanted to beat a French team, who has an average defence (for their standards), then we needed to create better chances.

Lloris had a fairly easy game. And he's not a great GK neither.

Sorry, but Southgate fumbled on the subs and failed to change the game again.

I'm not saying get rid of Southgate, because I still think he's doing a good job. But this isn't an amazing job he's doing, and he definitely needs to improve on his in-game management.

Croatia - failed to change the game.
Italy - failed to realise they were there for the taking and didn't pounce (this same team that hasn't qualified for back to back World Cups...not a brilliant Italian team whatsoever)
France - failed to change the game.

The next crop of youngsters coming through (Jude, Foden, Saka, Rice) look to be fantastic and this experience should still count for a lot to come.
 
International football is all about wining, it’s not a club there’s no merit to playing well as often sides will be completely changed the next time they play ( look at who played in march) so the only goal is to win as there is no next week to put a bad result right.
 
Those aren't great opportunities. You can't just rely on penalties during the game.
penalties are the result of the opposition cheating, we weren't 'relying on penalties', France were conceding them because we were creating good opportunities. It's out of our control how france react when we get behind them or run into their box
 
Croatia - failed to change the game.
Italy - failed to realise they were there for the taking and didn't pounce (this same team that hasn't qualified for back to back World Cups...not a brilliant Italian team whatsoever)
France - failed to change the game.
simply not true. the results might not have gone our way, but those games were played in phases. Italy we started off well, they reacted and took control, then we reacted well and it became a stalemate.

France, they were very dangerous first 20-25 mins, we changed things, nullified their threat and were the danger from that point onwards
 
France were conceding them because we were creating good opportunities
The 2 penalties didn't come from good opportunities. It came from ridiculous defending.

Saka probably wouldn't have got a shot off.

I'd very much doubt Mount was going to get a chance on goal before Theo barged him.
 
Southgate deserved another crack at a major championship and I hope he stays on. England are starting to change their mentality and hopefully the European Championship in Germany is the one they finally win. The ability is there and the culture the best it's ever been (very much down to Southgate).
 
they didn't give loads of opportunities up in any game though. The penalties are a result of cheating to avoid giving up good chances. add in Kanes 1-vs-1 and maguires header and there are 5 great opportunities as well as some decent edge of the box ones.

We created 5 great opportunities, they created 3. That's how it goes with the better teams
Kane's 1 on 1 was the only realistic chance we created from open play in the entire game (and due to the angle it was still a low xG). Maguire's wasn't a good chance. It nearly went in but you wouldn't expect to score from there, he was quite far out. Penalties aren't always by definition from cheating. The 1st was good play from Saka dribbling and a mistimed tackle. The 2nd one was just stupidity. I would agree it would be cheating if you take the man down to stop a clear opportunity but neither was that scenario. Good play by saka, dumb play by Hernandez.

They didn't create many great opportunities either. Their 1st goal wasn't a great opportunity but it went in because it was a good finish. The 2nd was and the one that was saved a minute before was even better.

It was like Wilder's early games this season. Loads of the ball and plenty of low xG chances but not many clear cut chances and then giving away goals making the task really difficult or we were 3-0 down so winning 2-0 in the second half was meaningless because the opposition were playing a completely different way with a 3 goal cushion. Wilder was being defended by many but a few of us could see that the xG or the 2nd half means nothing when it was the way that we were playing that was the problem.

England were the danger after France scored because goals change games. They had something to protect so changed the way they played. They did what they had to do to take the lead (twice) and then sat back and let us have the ball and we created nothing. They had speed on the break so played counter attack which we dealt with well but we couldn't create any real chances against them and it was only stupidity from Hernandez that means we are even talking about it being close.
 
Nobody knows how the games pans out whether it’s earlier subs or awarded the first penna in the first half. One action changed would result in a totally different game and therefore we can never know what a different action will for definite result it
 
they didn't give loads of opportunities up in any game though. The penalties are a result of cheating to avoid giving up good chances. add in Kanes 1-vs-1 and maguires header and there are 5 great opportunities as well as some decent edge of the box ones.

We created 5 great opportunities, they created 3. That's how it goes with the better teams
Saka nearly getting on the end of the cross was a good opportunity
 
Italy - failed to realise they were there for the taking and didn't pounce (this same team that hasn't qualified for back to back World Cups...not a brilliant Italian team whatsoever)
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it’s interesting you use that stat to say Italy were bad, because they had gone pretty long without losing in the run up to the euros and then remained undefeated through the competition

The whole media where waxing lyrical about them 18 months ago
 
The 2 penalties didn't come from good opportunities. It came from ridiculous defending.
rediculous defending comes from defences that are stretched. Mount just needed a toe or a forehead on the ball and it's heading at goal. Saka had sucked about 3 or 4 french defenders towards him, just needed to lay it off, the Kane one that perplexingly wasn't given he was driving in from the side of the 18 with an option to shoot or pull back.
 
I would agree it would be cheating if you take the man down to stop a clear opportunity but neither was that scenario. Good play by saka, dumb play by Hernandez.
Hernandez was wrong side of Mount and barged through him, because he only needed a touch and was a shot on target from the centre of the box. This is where the ball landed, toe poke and it's in. You can call it stupid or the dark arts. He cheated and got away with it. Should have been a red.

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there is no rule that says a player must be in control of the ball, especially as he is running onto a through ball.
Watch it from the side. There is zero chance of him getting to it. The ball is moving way faster than he is and it overtakes him about 16 yards out and bounces at about 8 yards (and Mount wasn't even running in the same direction as the ball). It is about 6 ft above his head at the time the foul is made. He isn't running 8 yards in half a second. That's faster than Usain Bolt at his peak speed.
 
The full rule is, below. Likelihood of "keeping or gaining control of the ball" is what is being misquoted here. It is to be 'considered'. But, the distance between the offence and goal are to be considered, general direction of play and location and number of defenders.

1 - the offence occured 15 yards from goal in a central location.
2 - the direction was towards the goal and prevented Mount from reaching the ball
3 - the ball was attainable 12-14 yards from goal and didn't need controlling, simply diverting towards goal
4 - the only french defender was the one who committed the infringement from behind, the goalkeeper was 2 yards off his line at the time of the infringement.

It was a red card. The offence was in the penalty area, denied an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (that doesn't mean it has to 100% be scored by the way, just a reasonable opportunity to score), there was no attempt by the defender to play the ball. One touch from Mount and it's a goal. Red Card.

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Hernandez was wrong side of Mount and barged through him, because he only needed a touch and was a shot on target from the centre of the box. This is where the ball landed, toe poke and it's in. You can call it stupid or the dark arts. He cheated and got away with it. Should have been a red.

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That's a screenshot of the incident.

There's no chance IMO Mount was ever getting a chance on goal directly from that cross/pass.
 
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