Laughing
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The news are wrong I think bear. The figure for London front line is 78% i believe. I looked this morning.
Compulsory vaccination for NHS staff members
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Funky_Chicken
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Forcing people to take something they don’t want or face the sack - nice. What a world. My wife (nurse) felt obliged to take two doses of one of these Pfizer vaccines. She didn’t want them, (we’ve both already had Covid) but felt pressured into doing it. She hasn’t felt well since. I am more than a little worried about what this is going to do to her long term health
There is a local person - early middle age - that has been unfortunate enough to contract covid twice - the second time appears to be long covid and looking like permanent damage to their lungs. I would not wish that on you on your wife funky chicken.Forcing people to take something they don’t want or face the sack - nice. What a world. My wife (nurse) felt obliged to take two doses of one of these Pfizer vaccines. She didn’t want them, (we’ve both already had Covid) but felt pressured into doing it. She hasn’t felt well since. I am more than a little worried about what this is going to do to her long term health
coluka
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I appreciate it is a controversial subject. We have rights and all that, one should be the right to not be placed at risk by ungrounded fear and selfishness of others. In unprecedented times i am all for temporary restrictions on rights if they are for the greater good of all and operated fairly, justifiable and help to preserve life for those at risk and supported by proven science, not just the whim of governments mind.
All NHS employees have a duty of care to their patients as well as each other. Front line and backroom staff mix in hospitals (I get we all do outside of the workplace and it is randomly so). However, I do fully support compulsory vaccination unless there are known reasonable health grounds not to.
The point about risking staff handing in their notice is an interesting one and a reasonable point given the backlog of cases awaiting treatment for various conditions. It does need full consideration as part of the decision making process. I am fully supportive of the need for higher pay (1% was derisory). I would offer a one off sum to all staff that are vaccinated as an incentive including those already done, I would look to use education and training and allow them to have the vaccine of their choice from all available. Many have to have compulsory injections for Hepatitis as it is.
Even more controversially (I am aware this wont go down well on here) I would, after a grace period, advise those (I mean everyone in society now, where scientists and health professionals agree) that flatly refuse a covid-19 vaccine and any subsequently needed boosters without good health grounds for a refusal, that should they ever be admitted to hospital with covid-19 life threatening symptoms and their life is subsequently saved as a direct result of hospital treatment, that they be billed for their treatment.
All NHS employees have a duty of care to their patients as well as each other. Front line and backroom staff mix in hospitals (I get we all do outside of the workplace and it is randomly so). However, I do fully support compulsory vaccination unless there are known reasonable health grounds not to.
The point about risking staff handing in their notice is an interesting one and a reasonable point given the backlog of cases awaiting treatment for various conditions. It does need full consideration as part of the decision making process. I am fully supportive of the need for higher pay (1% was derisory). I would offer a one off sum to all staff that are vaccinated as an incentive including those already done, I would look to use education and training and allow them to have the vaccine of their choice from all available. Many have to have compulsory injections for Hepatitis as it is.
Even more controversially (I am aware this wont go down well on here) I would, after a grace period, advise those (I mean everyone in society now, where scientists and health professionals agree) that flatly refuse a covid-19 vaccine and any subsequently needed boosters without good health grounds for a refusal, that should they ever be admitted to hospital with covid-19 life threatening symptoms and their life is subsequently saved as a direct result of hospital treatment, that they be billed for their treatment.
Laughing
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Your right with your last point coluka it won't be popular.
Apart from anything else we all pay in to the nhs and its free at the point of use whether you have been vaccinated, drink, smoke, drive whilst drunk or go mountain climbing.
I really don’t know where registered professionals would go for employment if they left in protest to mandatory Covid jabs.
The private sector will make it mandatory long before the NHS ever get there.
Care Homes likewise.
I really wouldn’t worry about non registered staff, such posts always attract large numbers of applicants and I’m sure sufficient numbers would be responsible enough to be jabbed.
I really do think it is time be strong on this issue and I really couldn’t care less if it offends sensibilities.
I also agree that there should be a consequence for those who can be vaccinated but selfishly refuse then require inpatient care.
The private sector will make it mandatory long before the NHS ever get there.
Care Homes likewise.
I really wouldn’t worry about non registered staff, such posts always attract large numbers of applicants and I’m sure sufficient numbers would be responsible enough to be jabbed.
I really do think it is time be strong on this issue and I really couldn’t care less if it offends sensibilities.
I also agree that there should be a consequence for those who can be vaccinated but selfishly refuse then require inpatient care.
coluka
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I appreciate that, thats why i said it.
Anyway, The NHS is only free to those permitted, not everyone, but i understand your general point. However as you will know, it is only free for the treatments and drugs it is listed to provide or that a doctor or surgeon feels appropriate. I know the government would not charge, not even this one, but plenty are denied available treatment on the NHS now that can extend life or make life more bearable, be that knee replacements (where the overweight can be ordered to lose weight), cancer drugs to extend life etc, but like I say just my view and I know it won’t happen.
Jedi boro
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So you admit she’s had COVID but then claim it’s the vaccine that has made her ill so it’s not the virus then.
Laughing
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I know a body builder who was refused an operation on his shoulder because he was clinically obese, despite there not being an ounce of fat on him. He was short and very muscly which read as obese on the doctors chart. So you are right that does happen by I think mostly to protect the patient or perhaps the insurance premium.I appreciate that, thats why i said it.
Anyway, The NHS is only free to those permitted, not everyone, but i understand your general point. However as you will know, it is only free for the treatments and drugs it is listed to provide or that a doctor or surgeon feels appropriate. I know the government would not charge, not even this one, but plenty are denied available treatment on the NHS now that can extend life or make life more bearable, be that knee replacements (where the overweight can be ordered to lose weight), cancer drugs to extend life etc, but like I say just my view and I know it won’t happen.
In fairness I agree. However, to expect anyone in the NHS to be vaccinated why shouldn't patients be expected/ encouraged?
If you come into hospital with covid and chose not to be vaccinated surely you're as much of a risk sitting in the waiting area as anyone is who are treating the patients. Only you maybe risking 10 others in the waiting area too?
Regardless the angle here is that people should have mandatory vaccinations and will lose there career/ employment should they choose not to. I dont agree with that.
SmallTown
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It could be psychosomatic? With you seemingly convinced about the dangers of the vaccines. If you’ve been rabitting on to her the way you do to us maybe she feels unwell because she thinks she should feel unwell? I know a family member like that. So obsessed with vaccine side effects that she feels she has themForcing people to take something they don’t want or face the sack - nice. What a world. My wife (nurse) felt obliged to take two doses of one of these Pfizer vaccines. She didn’t want them, (we’ve both already had Covid) but felt pressured into doing it. She hasn’t felt well since. I am more than a little worried about what this is going to do to her long term health
LeeMiller
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Do we actually know the % of NHS staff that have had refused the vaccine?
I wouldn’t trust these truth twisting cretins to do anything correctly (Gov’t)
I wouldn’t be surprised if they started openly criticising NHS staff. These are the liars and the cheats that have feathered their own nest when nearly all staff have either had to go into hospital, with Little or no PPE. Stayed in hotels to as not potentially bring the virus home to family members. Who showered in detol when they got home after 14 hour long exhausting shifts. After seeing their colleagues contract and in Some cases die from the virus.
Didn’t complain
Still went in and did several unpaid extra shifts?
for what? So that can pay extortionate car parking fees again. A less than inflation pay rise and a few hand claps on a Thursday night
They should all be recognised fully for what they have done, what they have given up and the help and resources they need to do the job to their best
I wouldn’t trust these truth twisting cretins to do anything correctly (Gov’t)
I wouldn’t be surprised if they started openly criticising NHS staff. These are the liars and the cheats that have feathered their own nest when nearly all staff have either had to go into hospital, with Little or no PPE. Stayed in hotels to as not potentially bring the virus home to family members. Who showered in detol when they got home after 14 hour long exhausting shifts. After seeing their colleagues contract and in Some cases die from the virus.
Didn’t complain
Still went in and did several unpaid extra shifts?
for what? So that can pay extortionate car parking fees again. A less than inflation pay rise and a few hand claps on a Thursday night
They should all be recognised fully for what they have done, what they have given up and the help and resources they need to do the job to their best
Funky_Chicken
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She caught Covid very early on in things last April and was fine, really had very little symptoms at all and was back to normal within two weeks. She has been fine since until her jabs , since then she gets frequent head aches and really bad muscle pain and fatigue. Of course we can’t prove that’s linked to a jab i know that but it’s strange that it has started now afterwards when she’s always been quite a fit and active girl. I’m just hoping it will improve over time
Funky_Chicken
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I suppose you’d also be happy to charge people who’ve knowingly allowed themselves to be injected with one of these vaccines who then develop complications as well i take it - what a strange callous attitude to take
Laughing
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The best area for fronting staff is teesside at 99% the worst is London at 78%. The average is almost 98% i believe. Though to be fair bear heard different figures for London on the news yesterday, 65% I think was what was reported.
Are the government trying to vilify the nhs? I doubt it but it isn't the hot potato are making it out to be.
coluka
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I know a lad who was ordered to lose 2 stone before they would replace a joint. 6 months of struggle, he got there, saw the specialist and was told to lose another stone. 2 months later he did so. On seeing the specialist again he was told he would need to wait now till he was older as he didn’t feel it right to operate and the replacement not last his lifetime.
He was struggling to do his self employed job as it involved so much bending and kneeling and had to turn some jobs down. His income and lifestyle was affected. He went to a private hospital in York and guess who he ended up seeing, yep the very same consultant as he was the only local surgeon available nearby at that time. Yep he was happy to perform the operation for something like £12k. After much upset, his GP agreed to refer him to a different NHS Surgeon who eventually agreed to do it on the NHS, which meant a bit of a wait though. He eventually was given a date........... then Covid-19 struck.
“nearly all staff have either had to go into hospital, with Little or no PPE”
That’s just not true
LeeMiller
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It was for a week or two at least at the start
coluka
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EhI suppose you’d also be happy to charge people who’ve knowingly allowed themselves to be injected with one of these vaccines who then develop complications as well i take it - what a strange callous attitude to take
What an odd conclusion to arrive at, my flabber has never been so gasted. I most certainly would not charge the selfless that had an injection to protect themselves and others, if they were then unfortunate to suffer a very rare reaction that needed hospitalisation, that would be highly irresponsible and callous.
LeeMiller
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Thanks for the data,
they may not have yet but to cover their own back I wouldn’t be in the least surprised.