Hackney
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changingman
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Every player has his price, the days of us being a club which could hold out when good offers come in for our players are long gone. We'll push for the best possible deal and reinvest that money in players who will hopefully turn out as good if not better.
BoroMart
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They were both 1 season into their career. Regardless, Rav has also hinted that he wants to stay. He's loving it here.
I'm not sure what the obsession is from fans that we will sell all our best players as soon as an offer comes in. Yes prem money can talk, but the likelihood that Rav, Hackney and Lath will all be sold is low. The likelihood that we are touting them around to try and drum up a sale is also low. Stop doom-mongering and enjoy the ride man
No they weren't. Hackney was 2 seasons into his career. He played League One football for Scunthorpe 21/22 and Championship football for Boro 22/23. He's now 3 seasons into his career.
I don't think all 3 will be sold. Hackney will be though.
We won't be touting them around, they'll draw their own interest.
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BoroMart
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absolutely this.
And of course there will be teams interested in our better players, which is a far better position to be in than 3 years ago where we didn't have any better players, and no one was interested in any of them, it goes with the territory of showing on field progress. The Brentford model has been cited, and they had to sell Watkins, Benrahma, Maupay, Konsa, Mepham, Woods, Egan, Hogan, Button, Grey, Tarkowski, Dallas, Forshaw and a whole bumch of other players players to get where they are today. Buy low, sell high. That is the best way to increase your squad value. That is how you compete.
The squads coming down from the championship will have 120-160m euro worth of playing assets. We have about 75m according to transfermrkt. Looking at the history of Brentfords buy low sell high model, it saw them start off with a 20m squad and get promoted with a squad worth 169m. It took them about 8 years, we've probably got a 4 or 5 year start on that.
Yes we will sell players that the fans don't want, at some point, but what we don't have is FFP forcing our hand, what we don't have is our best players with 1 year left on their contract. What we don't have is an old squad on big wages, what we do have is young talented and improving players.
People are pushing this worst case scenario of Hackney, Lath, and Rav being hoovered up, I just don't see that happening in one summer, we may lose one, but I am confident we will use the funds to rebuild and improve again. I suspect Rav is the least likely of the 3, Hackney's desire to play for his local team, plus injuries last year might keep him here. Lath would be a big gamble for a prem side, based on a purple patch of 3 months. We would want top dollar for him, 20+ add ons, goal scorers are hard to find,
I can see last summers investment of Dieng, Rav, Lath, Gilbert, Bangura, Engel and Rogers with a collective cost of 11m earning us over 50m in profit. Rinse, repeat...
h_m_boro
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It's just how football is, big club could easily afford to sign Hackney or LL as a "development project". £20m, £50k week contract see how he does. Doesn't need to be immediate first team ready.
It's absolutely bollox but that's how things are.
Being a Championship club, FFP to comply with, promotion dreams......big sales help the club. And will continue to do so. We are not turning down " whhooooaaahhhh how much?????" offer for ANY of our players. Wish we could, but.....
However, would expect one of Hackney or LL to be sold, getting rid of both "probably" sets us back.
Interesting summer ahead.
It's absolutely bollox but that's how things are.
Being a Championship club, FFP to comply with, promotion dreams......big sales help the club. And will continue to do so. We are not turning down " whhooooaaahhhh how much?????" offer for ANY of our players. Wish we could, but.....
However, would expect one of Hackney or LL to be sold, getting rid of both "probably" sets us back.
Interesting summer ahead.
Mayor Goldie Wilson
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Hackney has only just bought a house at Wynyard. Doesn't mean he is going to be here next season by any means of course. I think Hackney will still be here at the start of next season. Ultimately he has only played 55 games at Championship level in his whole career, and wasn't nearly as good this season as he was last season. He has also only made 9 appearances since October. He also has 3 years left on his contract, meaning we are not obliged to sell like Akpom, and aren't looking to make a quick profit like with Rogers.
Regarding Archer, its a strange one. I for one would have him back, as I think he has a similar profile to Latte Lath, but is probably better in most aspects of the game. They both have similar explosive pace, but Archer is a far better finisher and is more composed in front of goal.
Regarding Archer, its a strange one. I for one would have him back, as I think he has a similar profile to Latte Lath, but is probably better in most aspects of the game. They both have similar explosive pace, but Archer is a far better finisher and is more composed in front of goal.
r00fie1
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The way, we held out for a large sum for Spence, stood our ground on Tavernia and accepted Villa's third offer instead of their first for Rogers - points to a significant sea change, a steely more determined approach, not to give away our assets. In that light, other clubs might get the message, and we might stand a better chance of keeping our better players who want to stay. In a scenario like Rogers, who wanted to take his opportunity with Villa, we hold out for our financial benefit.
Humpty
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I think his injuries this season may have been a blessing in disguise. He'll be off the radar of a few clubs now or rather he won't have caught the attention of others quite so much. I think he'll still be here come the start of the season as well.
I also don't think Gibson won't let local lads leave quite so easily.
I also don't think Gibson won't let local lads leave quite so easily.
h_m_boro
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I might be in a very small minority, but don't think Hackney is quite ready for the big time PL move.
The posts above highlight two seasons, 55 games, injury plagued 23/24, and hasn't been half the player since his breakthrough year. Although big clubs could easily absorb the financial hit on a prospect, you would think quite a few would just ask Boro to keep them informed of his situation and continue monitoring him. However the PL is absolutely batsh*t crazy when it comes to transfers, so nothing would surprise me......
Love to see him stay for one more season, gentlemans agreement a-la Tav.....if we don't go up, thanks and all the best.
But......money talks.
The posts above highlight two seasons, 55 games, injury plagued 23/24, and hasn't been half the player since his breakthrough year. Although big clubs could easily absorb the financial hit on a prospect, you would think quite a few would just ask Boro to keep them informed of his situation and continue monitoring him. However the PL is absolutely batsh*t crazy when it comes to transfers, so nothing would surprise me......
Love to see him stay for one more season, gentlemans agreement a-la Tav.....if we don't go up, thanks and all the best.
But......money talks.
BoroMart
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agreed, and with each year we sell a player, you would expect the pressure to sell lowers, and therefore the sale price goes up. It won't be linear, but over a period of time and a number of sales it should and is increasing. Rogers is potentially our biggest sale ever. I would expect one or maybe all three of Rav, Lath, Hackney will break our transfer record over the next 3 years.
BoroMart
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what I would say, is that based on him only playing about 10 games fully fit this season, it wouldn't be a huge dent based on last year.....but at the same time a fully fit Hackney would be a massive boost for the team. Same with McGree really, they've both contributed very little to a team that finishes just outside the play offs, so losing either or both isn't setting us back to a bottom half side. I guess it is possible that the goal vs Chelsea might have made a team up their bid to a level that was acceptable, but we've held it off until the summer. If he does go, it's gonna be a club record fee, and we will have our transfer budget sorted. He would fund 4 ready made first team players.
Hackney has started more games for us this season than Rogers did. And he still got his move. Hackney has also played well in a few games for England U21s which will also attract interest. And of course his performances last season aren't just erased. There's been teams monitoring him for well over a year now.
indeedido
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The only valuation that matters is what somebody is prepared to pay.
It may be that another club see Hackney as a diamond in the rough and be prepared to pay some of the optimistic fees suggested. If they are then I believe Boro would understandably sell.
It may be that some see a very good player with promise, but who is a fair way short of playing PL football. They will not pay the high fees some expect, but may still pay a fee like Rogers', that could prove to be the bargain Villa got. Boro were happy to take that fee.
It may be that many see him as a good player who has had a challenging season in terms of form and fitness and are unwilling to pay a big 8 figure fee for him. It's easy for the club to hold firm in those circumstances. I personally hope that is what happens this summer, that Hayden stays and has a blinder of a season.
There will be many scenarios for players like VdB, Latte Lath, McGree and Jones too.
Ultimately it comes down to what somebody actually offers.
And none of us know that.
It may be that another club see Hackney as a diamond in the rough and be prepared to pay some of the optimistic fees suggested. If they are then I believe Boro would understandably sell.
It may be that some see a very good player with promise, but who is a fair way short of playing PL football. They will not pay the high fees some expect, but may still pay a fee like Rogers', that could prove to be the bargain Villa got. Boro were happy to take that fee.
It may be that many see him as a good player who has had a challenging season in terms of form and fitness and are unwilling to pay a big 8 figure fee for him. It's easy for the club to hold firm in those circumstances. I personally hope that is what happens this summer, that Hayden stays and has a blinder of a season.
There will be many scenarios for players like VdB, Latte Lath, McGree and Jones too.
Ultimately it comes down to what somebody actually offers.
And none of us know that.
Mayor Goldie Wilson
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Hackney and Rogers are very different conversations. We signed Rogers for, what, about £1m (apologies if this is wrong), but had the opportunity to make a huge profit on him in 6 months. We presumably took the view that his value may have been as high as it would ever be at that point so decided to get the best deal we could. As well as he is doing for Villa, don't forget that he only became a regular starter for us in the month before he left. Presumably only Villa were in for him too. Hackney was a key player last season for a team that really should have got promoted, but has been relatively poor in comparison this season, where he has only made 21 appearances.
I have a question about the Hackney/Archer swap deal that has been mooted. Where do people think we would have finished this season if we had Archer up front, fully fit all season? I think he would be there or thereabouts as the leagues top scorer. In short, I think in the right team a player like Archer will get you promoted in the right team. I'm not sure Hackney would.
The simple fact is that if a Prem team makes an offer of £20m + for Hackney this summer then he will go. It would be a no brainer move for him from a career perspective, and the club from a financial perspective.
Hackney is quality and I have no doubt he will have a great career at the top level, but is him staying the difference between us getting promoted next year or not? I don't think it will be.
We'd have £20m to replace him with a top end Champ CM midfielder, plus strengthen other areas like RB/CDM/LW/ST. And if last summer is anything to go by our recruitment team are now savvy enough to get us a competent replacement as well as strengthening our weaker areas.
Hackney is quality and I have no doubt he will have a great career at the top level, but is him staying the difference between us getting promoted next year or not? I don't think it will be.
We'd have £20m to replace him with a top end Champ CM midfielder, plus strengthen other areas like RB/CDM/LW/ST. And if last summer is anything to go by our recruitment team are now savvy enough to get us a competent replacement as well as strengthening our weaker areas.
BoroMart
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of course there is a trigger amount where the club will agree a sale, I think it will need to be a club record, which currently stands around 18m IIRC from Traore, I think it will need to be fairly significantly over that with add ons, and with him coming through our academy would be a 20% sell on, we've put a decade of effort and support into that kid.
sambaDTR
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Yes Hackney was outstanding for the England U21 and did not look out of place alongside Palmer, Elliott and Lewis. He plays better alongside better players. He can play deep or attacking and he is English which again adds to his attraction for PL squads. With addons it must be a £25M+ deal.