Norman_Conquest
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There's always a first for everything.Let me have a think
There's always a first for everything.Let me have a think
Word of the street is that Astra Zeneca is absolute bobbins. Similar sort of timescales with being double jabbed and then contracting covid.Same for me earlier in the year. Double jabbed in July, caught (assume Delta) August bank holiday.
To be fair, the risk of catching isn't really minimised by getting vaccinated as I understand it - just lessens the impact if you do?
There's always a first for everything.
What happens when the next variant rears its head then?
4th jab needed along with another lockdown?
Then after that, ANOTHER variant.....5th jab needed and another lockdown.
Repeat.
Because thats whats happening now.
To be honest this has been a reality throughout all of our lifetimes. Each year vulnerable people have a flu jab to fight the new variants of influenza. Obviously at the moment vaccines are a lot more common due to the severity and prevalence of covid but in the future it will be very much like the flu jab.
There's no conspiracy just normal vaccination/epidemic procedure.
I think we all understand your frustration, especially when we all thought we could see light at the end of the tunnel. I have just been reading about people having to cancel trips to France to see loved ones they haven't seen and two local businesses going under due to the covid impact. It is no fun for anyone and very difficult to plan anything.In all seriousness mate, I just struggle to see an end to all this.
Double vaccinations were meant to be the way out of this. Three quarters of the population are double jabbed and we seemed to be heading towards the end of it.
Now another variant comes along and we're talking lockdowns etc again.
So naturally i'm thinking whats stopping 20 more variants coming along and causing lockdowns every year for god knows how long.
Word of the street is that Astra Zeneca is absolute bobbins. Similar sort of timescales with being double jabbed and then contracting covid.
Sorry if I gave the impression I I thought you were!I'm not a conspiracy theorist don't worry.
I've had my vaccines etc.
Just a frustrated individual.
Without wishing to be callous, nothing.In all seriousness mate, I just struggle to see an end to all this.
Double vaccinations were meant to be the way out of this. Three quarters of the population are double jabbed and we seemed to be heading towards the end of it.
Now another variant comes along and we're talking lockdowns etc again.
So naturally i'm thinking whats stopping 20 more variants coming along and causing lockdowns every year for god knows how long.
I saw this earlier, really interesting. I guess the key barrier is lead time to generate a vaccine "from scratch" so to speak when a new mutation occurs. Presumably vaccine manufacturers can hedge their bets and develop vaccines based on forecasted mutations?Chris whitty
Will we have to live this way for years?
We have been advised to choose carefully when putting dates in our diary in the run-up to Christmas - but will we have to live with reduced social contacts for years to come?
That's what Prof Whitty is being asked. He says he looks at it over a five-year time frame.
He thinks in about 18 months' time, there'll be a wide range of vaccines as well as treatments like antiviral drugs. At that time, most "heavy lifting" when there's a new variant will be met by medicine, rather than restrictions being put in place.
We've come from a place when we had "absolutely nothing" so we had to rely on measures like social distancing, he says.
We're now in a transition period where a lot can be done with things like boosters but we are stil "not quite in the safer haven" we will be in in future.
Risks will "gradually decrease over time" with each six months better than the previous six months, he says
The infection rate in the north east was massively lower than everywhere else on the graph from Chris twitty yesterday, nothing should be changed nationally but London, yes, lock em down!I think we'll be in full national lockdown before New year.
It's one casualty of having a populist P.M.I think it's the lack of leadership that grates. Johnson is still trying to pander to every group's interests or views while using up any political capital.
It will be left to every industry and governing organisation to decide themselves. If football gets cancelled it won't be until after the FA or PL decide to do it.
It's partly cowardice and partly so that they don't have to pay out to anybody affected.
Can't you remember what happened the last time the govt attempted local lockdowns?The infection rate in the north east was massively lower than everywhere else on the graph from Chris twitty yesterday, nothing should be changed nationally but London, yes, lock em down!
He said basically the same thing 12 months ago and also when the vaccine was first rolled out.Chris whitty
Will we have to live this way for years?
We have been advised to choose carefully when putting dates in our diary in the run-up to Christmas - but will we have to live with reduced social contacts for years to come?
That's what Prof Whitty is being asked. He says he looks at it over a five-year time frame.
He thinks in about 18 months' time, there'll be a wide range of vaccines as well as treatments like antiviral drugs. At that time, most "heavy lifting" when there's a new variant will be met by medicine, rather than restrictions being put in place.
We've come from a place when we had "absolutely nothing" so we had to rely on measures like social distancing, he says.
We're now in a transition period where a lot can be done with things like boosters but we are stil "not quite in the safer haven" we will be in in future.
Risks will "gradually decrease over time" with each six months better than the previous six months, he says