I won't be going to Texas again in a hurry

[red_harrington]

Not now that anybody over 21 can carry a gun, with no training and no licence

The only remit is that you can't have a criminal conviction

Which means that any argument could easily escalate into a full-on gunfight, not only affecting those involved but passers by too

Probably the saddest law ever passed

 

[Borobarmy]

I bet the USA forefathers had no idea what that second amendment was going to lead to when they draughted the constitution. I don’t quite think what it is now is what it was supposed to mean .

 

[Centralscrutinizer]

I must admit I always thought just about anyone could carry a gun in Texas as it was.

 

[atypical_boro]

I must admit I always thought just about anyone could carry a gun in Texas as it was.

Concealed carry up until now isn't it? Now its constitutional carry, so it doesn't even have to be concealed or licenced as I understand it.

Mind you, the law the OP is talking about has always been in operation in all of the following:

• Alaska
• Arizona
• Arkansas
• Idaho
• Iowa
• Kansas
• Kentucky
• Maine
• Mississippi
• Missouri
• Montana
• New Hampshire
• North Dakota
• Oklahoma
• South Dakota
• Tennessee
• Utah
• Vermont
• West Virginia
• Wyoming

Imagine living in any of those states.

 

[Frozen Horse]

'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed'.

Does the US have a well regulated militia? There's lots of people carrying guns, sure, but that's not a militia is it?

I write from a very British perspective I know, but I don't think I'll ever understand why the US values guns over public funded health.

I see their attachment to guns as a symptom of living in fear. It's a sign of weakness, not strength.

 

[Colin Warnek]

Concealed carry up until now isn't it? Now its constitutional carry, so it doesn't even have to be concealed or licenced as I understand it.

Mind you, the law the OP is talking about has always been in operation in all of the following:

• Alaska
• Arizona
• Arkansas
• Idaho
• Iowa
• Kansas
• Kentucky
• Maine
• Mississippi
• Missouri
• Montana
• New Hampshire
• North Dakota
• Oklahoma
• South Dakota
• Tennessee
• Utah
• Vermont
• West Virginia
• Wyoming

Imagine living in any of those states.

Pretty sure the residents of those states mostly get along fine.

I'm no advocate for gun legality, but to suggest that those states are somehow backward or with people living in vicarious fear is silly. People show restraint, common sense and manners. The internet is the threat to all of those.

 

[atypical_boro]

Pretty sure the residents of those states mostly get along fine.

I'm no advocate for gun legality, but to suggest that those states are somehow backward or with people living in vicarious fear is silly. People show restraint, common sense and manners. The internet is the threat to all of those.

All I said was 'imagine living there', with guns routinely and legally on show on people's belts. Not my bag, personally.

 

[BoroMart]

'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed'.

it's not a militia, it's individuals who owns guns for their own fun, pride, protection, criminal activity, and intimidation. It's the antithesis of it's original intent. It's about the individual rights not the collective protection.

Most of the americans I know think the whole gun culture is insane, and the general public support some gun restrictions

 

[brattleboro]

I love travel but the usa will never be on my list to visit. Dont fancy the place at all.

 

[atypical_boro]

Does the US have a well regulated militia? There's lots of people carrying guns, sure, but that's not a militia is it?

I write from a very British perspective I know, but I don't think I'll ever understand why the US values guns over public funded health.

I see their attachment to guns as a symptom of living in fear. It's a sign of weakness, not strength.

I wonder this myself, but obviously its deeply historical and cultural. I've pondered over this line on wiki a few times: 'the amendment reflected the lingering resentment over the widespread efforts of the British to confiscate the colonists' firearms at the outbreak of the Revolutionary War.'

I mean is it too simplistic to suggest that many of them just don't want to follow our lead on gun restrictions because they don't entirely trust us and because they managed to beat us??

 

[atypical_boro]

it's not a militia, it's individuals who owns guns for their own fun, pride, protection, criminal activity, and intimidation. It's the antithesis of it's original intent. It's about the individual rights not the collective protection.

Most of the americans I know think the whole gun culture is insane, and the general public support some gun restrictions

Sadly I have family who keep loaded firearms in the house. Needless to say I prefer to stay in hotels if we visit.

California as well, which is one of the more progressive states with regards gun restrictions.

 

[Steer]

Pretty sure the residents of those states mostly get along fine.

I'm no advocate for gun legality, but to suggest that those states are somehow backward or with people living in vicarious fear is silly. People show restraint, common sense and manners. The internet is the threat to all of those.

It makes no sense to me whatsoever that anyone can think the way for everyone to be safe is for everyone to have a gun. As an outsider it looks like nonsense. The statistics about gun killings in the USA tell us quite plainly that lots of people dont show " restraint, common sense and manners "

Because we share a language and watch many of the same TV programs and films as Americans, we do lose sight that there are vast cultural differences. Hence my "outsider" comment above. Having said that - I understand that the majority of Americans do want stricter gun control.

Lots of interesting stats here:

How many US mass shootings have there been in 2023?

Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Wiseman_Vaughn]

Does the US have a well regulated militia? There's lots of people carrying guns, sure, but that's not a militia is it?

I write from a very British perspective I know, but I don't think I'll ever understand why the US values guns over public funded health.

I see their attachment to guns as a symptom of living in fear. It's a sign of weakness, not strength.

I'm just finishing the book "UNMASKED" by Andy Ngo (Mainly about ANTIFA) and it is scary the way that the 2 sides - Antifa and proud Boys (Bugaloo Bois etc) are getting organised and arming up.

There may be SERIOUS trouble ahead.

 

[atypical_boro]

Because we share a language and watch many of the same TV programs and films as Americans, we do lose sight that there are vast cultural differences.

Agree with this but there are also huge cultural differences between the states themselves too, easier for them (and us) to forget because we all speak English.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

I had around 5 years there and people carried concealed firearms then if they wished, it wasn't hard to get a licence. Of those that I got to know they were carried more by females.

I didn't see a gun pulled on anybody and very rarely saw trouble but there was far more of a police presence than there is here, all armed.

 

[Wiseman_Vaughn]

I had around 5 years there and people carried concealed firearms then if they wished, it wasn't hard to get a licence. Of those that I got to know they were carried more by females.

I didn't see a gun pulled on anybody and very rarely saw trouble but there was far more of a police presence than there is here, all armed.

The Anti Police/Defund the Police sentiment being supported by some mainstream politicians is worrying.

 

[red_harrington]

I had around 5 years there and people carried concealed firearms then if they wished, it wasn't hard to get a licence. Of those that I got to know they were carried more by females.

I didn't see a gun pulled on anybody and very rarely saw trouble but there was far more of a police presence than there is here, all armed.

I've had a gun pulled on me in New Orleans and it was not a pleasant experience, lucky I managed to get out of it

I can only imagine the lawmakers in this instance have been pushed and prodded by the NRA and gun manufacturers - a gun in their back if you will

If anybody truly believes that being armed is the way to a peaceful & safe society then they need their heads examined

 

[NYboro]

The Anti Police/Defund the Police sentiment being supported by some mainstream politicians is worrying.

Defund the police is NOT anti police. It is a sensible policy to restrict the spending by police on military equipment, which is absolutely insane.

 

[NYboro]

I've had a gun pulled on me in New Orleans and it was not a pleasant experience, lucky I managed to get out of it

I can only imagine the lawmakers in this instance have been pushed and prodded by the NRA and gun manufacturers - a gun in their back if you will

If anybody truly believes that being armed is the way to a peaceful & safe society then they need their heads examined

The NRA are currently suing NY State to force them to allow concealed carry. I'm so glad I'm leaving in a couple of months. Life here has just got so much worse since Trump got into power.

 

[Wiseman_Vaughn]

Defund the police is NOT anti police. It is a sensible policy to restrict the spending by police on military equipment, which is absolutely insane.

That is fair enough but there is also a lot calling to abolish the police and often support this with the ACAB message. Antif have already suggested that they would replace the police with "Guardians of their community" - madness!