I take it you have never driven a HGV ?
If there was no speed limits on motorways......
- Thread starter Brian Marwood
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FabioPorkpie
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427mph.
Hgvs are at their limit at 56mph. When pulling a fully laden trailer you can forget stopping if the car in front slams on.
The unit without trailer is more capable. I regularly beat cars off the lights. My old Renault unit at p of p limiter never kicked in when out of gear going down hill. I’d regularly get up to and above 70mph on the m62 coming down toward shudders field way. Looking back it was irresponsibly stupid. Frightening really.
Police blue light and pursuit training is possibly the best course you could ever get paid to do.
Spot on , I have my Class 1 licence , used to drive fully laden artic sludge tankers as part of my job in the past, it shocks me the standard of car drivers with their attitude towards HGV,s ,and the liberty,s they take when around them, without ever thinking of the consequences if it goes wrong.
Same_as_before
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We had hard tyres, I think they lasted no more than 2 laps. But I know nothing about this type of thing.
For all I know they could have kept them in stock.
Oddly enough a guy I was working with said to me, never again. We thought it was really badly controlled.
Really stupid this bragging about speeding over 100mph.
Really, really poor.
Really, really poor.
JustTheGent
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There's many different types of unsafe drivers on the road. But some of the most dangerous are those who think the law doesn't apply to them, but only to everybody else.
There's no case for increasing the speed limit as things stand. A huge % of vehicles do not currently abide to safe stopping distances. Until you fix that, no speed limit increase should ever be considered.
There's no case for increasing the speed limit as things stand. A huge % of vehicles do not currently abide to safe stopping distances. Until you fix that, no speed limit increase should ever be considered.
MolteniArcore
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Interesting thread. Quite a few people seem to think that they would be 'safe' driving up to 100mph on the roads whilst others are happy to tell of their regular speeding on the roads.
It kinda sums up nicely why the roads are very dangerous places.
Funny old world.
It kinda sums up nicely why the roads are very dangerous places.
Funny old world.
SmallTown
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It doesn't in my opinion. Modern cars and brakes and safety systems and tyres are WAY safer than they used to be. To an almost crazy factor. Compared to when speed limits were set.
It's driving standards that are the danger, not speed. Some of the driving I see, especially on motorways, is horrendous. People tailgate, people have zero discipline, people don't respect larger vehicles. That sums up nicely why roads are dangerous places.
MolteniArcore
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They certainly are but... you have explained excellently why it's not safe:
As soon as you increase speed you increase the risks and the consequences. Here is some food for thought:
"An object’s kinetic energy is proportional to its speed squared, which means doubling a car’s speed quadruples its energy. A car going 100 mph therefore has more than twice as much kinetic energy as a car going 70. Similarly, in the time it takes the slower car to stop, the faster car won’t have even slowed to 70 mph."
The Surprising Math Behind Speeding
A small change in speed can dramatically increase the energy of a collision.
www.popularmechanics.com
r00fie1
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Invest as much per-passenger-mile in our railways and public transport infrastructure - as is poured into the roads - and we can reduce motorways to four-lanes to save expensive maintenance, reduce deaths and serious injuries and carbon emissions
www.brake.org.uk
Every death and serious injury on the road is a preventable tragedy and yet, on average, five people die every day on the road in the UK and countless more are seriously injured.
In 2020, 1,516 people were killed on UK roads, with 1,460 deaths recorded in Britain and 56 recorded in Northern Ireland. This was a significant decline compared with the previous five years is due in part to the lockdown measures that were imposed in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
The number of road deaths in the UK plateaued from 2012 to 2019 at around 1,850 deaths a year, or the equivalent of five a day, on average.
The trend relating to serious injuries is more difficult to analyse, as the method the police use to record severity has changed in recent years. When accounting for the changes in reporting the estimated number of serious injuries since 2010 has declined slightly, albeit at a slower rate than before 2010. However, the total figure is still in excess of 22,000 serious injuries a year, or the equivalent of around 60 a day, on average.
Deaths and Serious Injuries 2020
Road casualties by transport mode, GB, 2020
Car occupants comprise, by far, the highest number of road deaths in Great Britain, however, this is unsurprising as car traffic comprises around 80% of all travel on British roads.
Percentage of road deaths by transport mode, GB, 2020
SPEED KILLS:
UK collision and casualty statistics | Brake
Find out more about people killed or hurt on roads
www.brake.org.uk
Every death and serious injury on the road is a preventable tragedy and yet, on average, five people die every day on the road in the UK and countless more are seriously injured.
Road deaths and serious injuries in the UK
In 2020, 1,516 people were killed on UK roads, with 1,460 deaths recorded in Britain and 56 recorded in Northern Ireland. This was a significant decline compared with the previous five years is due in part to the lockdown measures that were imposed in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.The number of road deaths in the UK plateaued from 2012 to 2019 at around 1,850 deaths a year, or the equivalent of five a day, on average.
The trend relating to serious injuries is more difficult to analyse, as the method the police use to record severity has changed in recent years. When accounting for the changes in reporting the estimated number of serious injuries since 2010 has declined slightly, albeit at a slower rate than before 2010. However, the total figure is still in excess of 22,000 serious injuries a year, or the equivalent of around 60 a day, on average.
Deaths and Serious Injuries 2020United Kingdom
- 1,516 road deaths
- 20,698 serious injuries
- 97,857 slight injuries
- 122,071 casualties of all severities
Road casualties by transport mode, GB, 2020 Car occupants comprise, by far, the highest number of road deaths in Great Britain, however, this is unsurprising as car traffic comprises around 80% of all travel on British roads.
Percentage of road deaths by transport mode, GB, 2020- Car occupants = 42%
- Pedestrians = 24%
- Motorcyclists = 20%
- Pedal cyclists = 10%
- Other = 5%
SPEED KILLS:The facts
- Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents.
- Fatal accidents are 4 times as likely on rural ‘A’ roads as urban ‘A’ roads.
- 3,121 people were killed or seriously injured in accidents where ‘exceeding the speed limit’ or ‘travelling too fast for the conditions’ was recorded as a contributory factor by the police.
MolteniArcore
Well-known member
Invest as much per-passenger-mile in our railways and public transport infrastructure - as is poured into the roads - and we can reduce motorways to four-lanes to save expensive maintenance, reduce deaths and serious injuries and carbon emissions
View attachment 36760UK collision and casualty statistics | Brake
Find out more about people killed or hurt on roads
Every death and serious injury on the road is a preventable tragedy and yet, on average, five people die every day on the road in the UK and countless more are seriously injured.
In 2020, 1,516 people were killed on UK roads, with 1,460 deaths recorded in Britain and 56 recorded in Northern Ireland. This was a significant decline compared with the previous five years is due in part to the lockdown measures that were imposed in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
The number of road deaths in the UK plateaued from 2012 to 2019 at around 1,850 deaths a year, or the equivalent of five a day, on average.
The trend relating to serious injuries is more difficult to analyse, as the method the police use to record severity has changed in recent years. When accounting for the changes in reporting the estimated number of serious injuries since 2010 has declined slightly, albeit at a slower rate than before 2010. However, the total figure is still in excess of 22,000 serious injuries a year, or the equivalent of around 60 a day, on average.
United Kingdom
- 1,516 road deaths
- 20,698 serious injuries
- 97,857 slight injuries
- 122,071 casualties of all severities
Car occupants comprise, by far, the highest number of road deaths in Great Britain, however, this is unsurprising as car traffic comprises around 80% of all travel on British roads.
The rate of casualties and deaths on the roads, per passenger mile travelled, provides a valuable understanding of the relative risk of different modes of transport and clearly shows that motorcyclists, pedal cyclists. and pedestrians as the most vulnerable road users.
- Car occupants = 42%
- Pedestrians = 24%
- Motorcyclists = 20%
- Pedal cyclists = 10%
- Other = 5%
The facts
- Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents.
- Fatal accidents are 4 times as likely on rural ‘A’ roads as urban ‘A’ roads.
- 3,121 people were killed or seriously injured in accidents where ‘exceeding the speed limit’ or ‘travelling too fast for the conditions’ was recorded as a contributory factor by the police.
Speeding kills more people than terrorism in the UK but we are happy to speed and even brag about it.
There were 594 murders for the reporting year ending 31st March 21, less than the number that gets killed on the roads. Murder bad - driving good!
Funny old world.
SmallTown
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Yes but you agree it's the driving standards and not the speed that's the problem? My previous car could drive safely at 100mph all day longThey certainly are but... you have explained excellently why it's not safe:
As soon as you increase speed you increase the risks and the consequences. Here is some food for thought:
"An object’s kinetic energy is proportional to its speed squared, which means doubling a car’s speed quadruples its energy. A car going 100 mph therefore has more than twice as much kinetic energy as a car going 70. Similarly, in the time it takes the slower car to stop, the faster car won’t have even slowed to 70 mph."
The Surprising Math Behind Speeding
A small change in speed can dramatically increase the energy of a collision.
Anton_Berg
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How about a lower speed limit for l/h drive trucks? To reduce the amount of overtaking they do with limited rear view.
SmallTown
Well-known member
That sounds a very brexity policy. So on point!
MolteniArcore
Well-known member
Speed is dangerous. As you increase the speed you increase the risk and the consequences.
I think the quality of modern cars and the way they are insulated gives people a false sense of how fast they are really travelling. Driving at 70mph on a motorway seems reletively slow and easy to manage but stand by the side of a road as a car drives passed you at 70mph and it gives you a completely different perspective. Driving at speed always seems safe until something unexpected happens. A sudden stop in traffic, debris on the road or a tyre blow out and that 70mph that seemed to be quite slow and easily managable suddenly becomes a completly different animal. It is only complacency that people think they can comfortably well above the speed limit safely.
The attitude you hear quite often is I've driven like that for many years without ever crashing. Well thats probably down to the fact that everything has gone in your favour and you've never had to contend with a major problem at that speed.
The attitude you hear quite often is I've driven like that for many years without ever crashing. Well thats probably down to the fact that everything has gone in your favour and you've never had to contend with a major problem at that speed.
Anton_Berg
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For all I know, there could be UK trucks with L/H drive. The hazard they constitute would be the same.