Keto'ish' diet

hewielewie

hewielewie

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Anybody doing or done it in the past?

Me and the missus decided to try it in November. I watched a documentary called Fat Fiction which seemed to make sense to me. I had a background in nutrition and healthy eating so I could see the issues they were raising. Cutting out carbs (or as close to as we can) and eating full fat products. Lots of leafy greens, protein and homemade soups along with coconut oil in coffee. Best thing is mug bread and a Persian Love Cake :)

Found it amazingly easy and lost a stone and even though I fell off the wagon Xmas Day and Boxing Day it wasn't to a massive carb overload extent.
 
Pretty low carb intake most of the time. Wine was the weakness.... but have knocked that on he head for a while now to get back to race fitness/weight.
 
I tried it but found it to be unsustainable, intermittent fasting and one meal a day are what I use and you can pretty much eat what you fancy on OMAD within reason.

My intermittent fasting is 20/4 and OMAD the following day, Saturdays are a day of full eating and not fasting.

My diet mainly consists of protein, eggs, oats and rice with my ‘puddings’ being fruit.
 
Agreed, low carb is difficult after a while. Hard when you're out and about as well. Intermittent fasting is much easier to stick to
 
Quicksilvera said:
I tried it but found it to be unsustainable, intermittent fasting and one meal a day are what I use and you can pretty much eat what you fancy on OMAD within reason.

My intermittent fasting is 20/4 and OMAD the following day, Saturdays are a day of full eating and not fasting.

My diet mainly consists of protein, eggs, oats and rice with my ‘puddings’ being fruit.
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So how does that work? Does your OMAD last for 4 hours?
 
Any diet like that is just a roundabout way of eating fewer calories than you are burning. Make it easy on yourself and eat whatever you want, within a calorie budget, and you will lose weight.
 
Nano said:
Any diet like that is just a roundabout way of eating fewer calories than you are burning. Make it easy on yourself and eat whatever you want, within a calorie budget, and you will lose weight.
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Not quite that simple.

I'm no expert but as I understand it when you diet your body starts to adapt to fewer calories by lowering your metabolism. So takes fewer and fewer calories to lose weight and easy to put it on again.

The idea with fasting in particular (but also some other diets, think keto is one) is that this doesn't happen or at least happens to a significantly smaller degree.

Plus for a lot of people it's not just about losing weight. There are plenty of other benefits to some diets, particularly fasting.
 
I have done very well on keto over the last few years as well as jogging 15k a week. Once you are into the swing of it then it sorts itself out. I end up fasting without even thinking much about it.
What I find is that I develop a craving for carbs after a couple of months. I put this down to some kind of nutrient deficiency even though I do try to eat green veg/salad and take supplements etc.
I do struggle with an upset stomach sometimes - avocado goes straight through me - so I am trying to find a keto food that I can ramp up with that doesnt cause problems with lost nutrients etc.
Ideally, I would like to keto on vegan food but I find that very, very difficult.

I am currently pigging out on carbs/sugars over Chrimbo then it will be back to high fat/zero carbs and jogging in January. The way I look at it is that I am doing hat humans did for 1000s of years: pig out on sugar and carbs during harvest time(pushed back to chrimbo :) ) in preparation for a low calorie winter but the rest of the year it is high fat/low carb.

It is the only thing that really works for me.

If I eat bread/rice/drink beer I just get fatter and fatter almost no matter what the calorific intake is.
 
Have used it twice to cut from 17 stone down to 15 and a half. First time was pretty unsustainable as it was for my wedding and I put a load back on almost instantly on my honeymoon. Found it a lot easier the second time round to maintain weight but I put that down to my two children keeping me very active. It’s pretty much a cheat code when done right if you can deal with the low carbs which can affect mood. The weight literally drops off you.
 
Nano said:
Any diet like that is just a roundabout way of eating fewer calories than you are burning. Make it easy on yourself and eat whatever you want, within a calorie budget, and you will lose weight.
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Not sure that this is true. The body digests different foods in different ways. I'm not a doctor but as I understand it the cilia in the gut have a bunch of receptors which are in a specific order from top to bottom. Problems with digestion are usually caused by the cilia being damaged and the receptors for certain foods get lost. This allows bacteria in the gut which feed on particular foods to proliferate and this causes problems which lead to weight gain or loss outside of the calories in vs calories out idea.

borolad259 said:
Pretty low carb intake most of the time. Wine was the weakness...
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The diet I follow allows dry (sugarless) wine as there are no other carbs present. Clear spirits are also fine. Although I cheat like buggery with whisky.

MoggasDog said:
I do struggle with an upset stomach sometimes - avocado goes straight through me
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I can't digest mushrooms. Love them but have learned to live without for the most part. Again, whichever part of the gut that digests them doesn't work for me. I'm guessing it's the same for your avocados. You just have to make a choice...
 
hewielewie said:
Anybody doing or done it in the past?

Me and the missus decided to try it in November. I watched a documentary called Fat Fiction which seemed to make sense to me. I had a background in nutrition and healthy eating so I could see the issues they were raising. Cutting out carbs (or as close to as we can) and eating full fat products. Lots of leafy greens, protein and homemade soups along with coconut oil in coffee. Best thing is mug bread and a Persian Love Cake :)

Found it amazingly easy and lost a stone and even though I fell off the wagon Xmas Day and Boxing Day it wasn't to a massive carb overload extent.
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Have you looked into fasting ?
Which rejuvenates and rids our bodies of zombie cells that can result in the formation of cancerous cells etc.(as an example of the effect of zombie cells) our cells renew as the keto and fasting process emerges approximately 24-30 into the fast then this is when the benefits are fully developed in our bodies as the zombie cells disappear and renewal at a cellular level begins.
It’s effectively a cell maintenance process and approximately 48 to 60 hours fasting is the optimal time frame for the benefit to be maximised.

Read about; Autophagy and read or google Dr Michael Mosely who writes about the benefits that very few people know about.

Me and my Mrs (who researches nutrition constantly!) fast every 14 days 👍
 
sadgit said:
No diet is sustainable. Eat well, lots of greens, exercise and don't over think it. Fasting isn't sustainable.
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Not true, I have been on mine for over 3 years and kept it up with my fasting and OMAD.

It’s all about what you are putting into your body, you need to enjoy what you’re eating and not dread eating a meal.

Also to remember to reward your hard work.
 
sadgit said:
No diet is sustainable. Eat well, lots of greens, exercise and don't over think it. Fasting isn't sustainable.
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Fasting isn’t sustainable ?

When you do your research and present your evidence then I’m always open to listen but from the evidence we’ve gathered short fasting works to clean those dodgy cells building up and enables us to eat reasonably healthy food and have treats too. 👍
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Have you looked into fasting ?
Which rejuvenates and rids our bodies of zombie cells that can result in the formation of cancerous cells etc.(as an example of the effect of zombie cells) our cells renew as the keto and fasting process emerges approximately 24-30 into the fast then this is when the benefits are fully developed in our bodies as the zombie cells disappear and renewal at a cellular level begins.
It’s effectively a cell maintenance process and approximately 48 to 60 hours fasting is the optimal time frame for the benefit to be maximised.

Read about; Autophagy and read or google Dr Michael Mosely who writes about the benefits that very few people know about.

Me and my Mrs (who researches nutrition constantly!) fast every 14 days 👍
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He's a bloke that sells diets so it's obviously within his interest to throw a load of "believable" science at you as a reason to do what he says in his books.

You lose weight by fasting because you eat less in total over.

Keto is the same. It's clever sounding science to sell you books/programmes.

Keto "works" by suggesting you burn fat cells as energy first when in ketosis. Even if it is true it doesn't change anything. If you consume 2000 calories per day and burn 2500 then in ketosis you might use 2000 of stored energy cells (fat) before using the calories you consume but your body has to do something with the excess calories so it stores them (as fat). The order makes no difference. The important bit is you've consumed 500 calories fewer than you needed so have reduced your stored energy (fat) by 500 calories and will lose weight.

Weight loss is really, really simple but telling people to eat less than they use doesn't sell many books.
 
I’ve loss over 2 stones and my wife over 3 during the past 6 months on a low carb diet / high protein diet .
I’ve no doubt that the main thing which losses the weight is that you are taking on board less calories than you burn up.
But on keto we dont feel as hungry and so can stay away from the cakes and crisps and biscuits etc .
On match days I carry some Biltong dried beef and some nuts , as I always want to chomp on something, when things get stressful.
Love Almond milk in my cup of tea now .
I would say the diet is worth a go at if you need to lose weight and have found low fat diets hard to keep to in the past.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Have you looked into fasting ?
Which rejuvenates and rids our bodies of zombie cells that can result in the formation of cancerous cells etc.(as an example of the effect of zombie cells) our cells renew as the keto and fasting process emerges approximately 24-30 into the fast then this is when the benefits are fully developed in our bodies as the zombie cells disappear and renewal at a cellular level begins.
It’s effectively a cell maintenance process and approximately 48 to 60 hours fasting is the optimal time frame for the benefit to be maximised.

Read about; Autophagy and read or google Dr Michael Mosely who writes about the benefits that very few people know about.

Me and my Mrs (who researches nutrition constantly!) fast every 14 days 👍
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Is that zero cals fasting?
 
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