Latte Lath

BoroMart said:
Looking ahead to next season, Lath, Azaz, Jones, Forss, there's 4 threats, we need another CF threat, a LW threat, and a CM/10 threat.
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I don't think Jones get's enough goals which is why I would have Forss in front of him. I would use Jones predominantly off the bench. We do need pace in the team though so need to find it elsewhere.

Agree LF, No10 and Striker are all positions we need to strengthen in.
 
B_G said:
I don't think Jones get's enough goals which is why I would have Forss in front of him. I would use Jones predominantly off the bench. We do need pace in the team though so need to find it elsewhere.

Agree LF, No10 and Striker are all positions we need to strengthen in.
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Jones-vs-Forss, yes Forss will always score more, but Jones has that pace
 
BoroMart said:
yes, he's also hard working out of possession, so I'd have no problem with him in any of the behind the front 3 roles for a few games, but particularly out wide, he'll track back, he'll get involved int eh press, he'll scare FBs from getting too far forward and leaving space behind. If somehow he did played a full season at CF he'd get 12-18 goals, depending on confidence, and a bit of luck, I'm not sure that's enough with his deficiencies to guarantee him a start at CF. He could always improve though, like Akpom did. For me he is a very valuable squad member for a team after a play off spot.
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I really don't see him being able to play any position but striker. Forss can play wide because he is comfortable on the ball. Lath's first touch is poor and I would suspect he would be unable to play the quick interchange passing we try to play with our 3 behind the striker and he would be a constant source of moves breaking down.

I am not sure he's good enough to be first choice striker and I'm not sure he'd want to not be first choice or he could have stayed at Atalanta. Played regularly I could see 12-15 goals but I think there are other players that could do better in our team and I would expect us to try to sign another striker in the summer.
 
Nano said:
I really don't see him being able to play any position but striker. Forss can play wide because he is comfortable on the ball. Lath's first touch is poor and I would suspect he would be unable to play the quick interchange passing we try to play with our 3 behind the striker and he would be a constant source of moves breaking down.

I am not sure he's good enough to be first choice striker and I'm not sure he'd want to not be first choice or he could have stayed at Atalanta. Played regularly I could see 12-15 goals but I think there are other players that could do better in our team and I would expect us to try to sign another striker in the summer.
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we absolutely will sign another striker
 
BoroMart said:
we absolutely will sign another striker
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Yeah will definitely sign one or maybe two. The question is, how ambitious will we be with the signing though?

Do we go for a low cost gamble? Or do we spend money on a known quantity?

Gut feel is we will look overseas and bring someone in from Europe. Probably a player scoring goals in a lesser league.
 
I’d rather we spent “big” on a number 10 who can offer the same physicality that Akpom did (and Rogers was starting to show).

We lack someone to play off, but I much prefer a nippy striker up top to stretch the game rather than a big lump of a centre forward.


The game really hasn’t changed all that much has it. It’s all still just a variation on 442 with a big un and a little un up top 😅
 
I don’t pay much attention to what the stats suggest he could do. Stats can imply all sorts but the only stat that really counts is how often the ball goes in the back of the net - he lacks the composure to be a 20+ goals a season striker imo. I’d love to be proven wrong but i don’t think i will be.
 
Nano said:
I'd be vary wary extrapolating those stats from such a short time frame over a full season. 1 good game really skews the stats. It's very easy for strikers to go 3, 4 or more games without a goal and really bring those goals per minutes stats down and he hasn't had that because he's missed the majority of the season.

He's barely played. He's done some very good things and he's also looked dreadful. I think he can be an ok championship striker but a 20 goal a season striker is very different. Teams treat players differently when they are a real threat like that and only the good ones can still stand out. There were only 3 players that got 20 goals last season. He's not given me any impression of him being one of the best 3 players in the league.
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All that is true, of course. However you can extrapolate up or down. To say he wouldn't get 20 goals playing most of the games as a starter isn't supported by any evidence.

He clearly doesn't miss a load of sitters either though really good strikers beat their xg regularly with lath isn't at the minute.

It also wouldn't be outrageous to expect him to settle and improve as he gets used to the league and his team mates.
 
MichaelDebeve said:
You can drill down into the numbers etc, but regardless after seeing him for half a season, albeit with some injuries, he is at best 1 in 3/4 games striker.

So, as we all know, there is work to be done for at least another striker above and beyond ELL and Coburn
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Drilling down into the numbers is the best measure we have.
 
B_G said:
His goal ratio is identical to Coburns.

Lath - 5 in 998 mins
Coburn - 5 in 996 mins

0.45 goals for every 90 minutes played. That's not really 1 in 2 games because strikers will rarely play 90 mins if we had options on the bench. More likely play 60-70 mins so it's closer to 1 in 3 games.
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Subbed at 60 to 70 minutes. How often does Carrick do that? His stats put him nowhere near 1 in 3. He would have to be subbed at 65 minutes in every single start and that wouldn't happen.
 
Merlin said:
I don’t pay much attention to what the stats suggest he could do. Stats can imply all sorts but the only stat that really counts is how often the ball goes in the back of the net - he lacks the composure to be a 20+ goals a season striker imo. I’d love to be proven wrong but i don’t think i will be.
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Despite his stat of putting the ball in the back of the net suggests he would.

Literally the only stat you care about suggests he would get 20 a season.
 
The only issue with extrapolating it over a season is that it’s very unlikely he’ll be fit to play every minute of every game.

I reckon there’s a fair few strikers who would score 15+ for us if they never missed a minute.


In reality, though, with picking up the odd knock and getting subbed after 75 mins in games, it’s probably the equivalent of about 35 - 38 games a season and scoring 15 - 16 goals.

(Which would still be decent)
 
B_G said:
I don't think Jones get's enough goals which is why I would have Forss in front of him. I would use Jones predominantly off the bench. We do need pace in the team though so need to find it elsewhere.

Agree LF, No10 and Striker are all positions we need to strengthen in.
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That will always be a bit of a conundrum.
 
B_G said:
Yeah will definitely sign one or maybe two. The question is, how ambitious will we be with the signing though?

Do we go for a low cost gamble? Or do we spend money on a known quantity?

Gut feel is we will look overseas and bring someone in from Europe. Probably a player scoring goals in a lesser league.
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Well the question is did we fail to spend in the last 4 or 5 years through lack of ambition or through FFP restrictions. It was probably the latter. So if the ambition is there, then the FFP allowance is now ther.

with 55m income from sales in the last 3 seasons, and ~20m in amortised player expenditure. We can lose 13m / year of footballing expenses and we do. We won't have that full 35m, but we'll certainly have half that, maybe a bit more, and of course any player signings are amortised. So if we had 18m FFP gap, we could incur 18m this season. We could in effect spend 72m on players this summer over 4 year contracts and be safely in FFP next year. This is where the 'ambition' bit comes in, or to put it another way, the 'gamble'. Is Gibson prepared to go all in for promotion, knowing that failing to get promotion will likely mean two player sales to keep our heads above water.....I suspect not. We could spend circa 25-30m and be relatively safe for the next 3 years, knowing that we have multiple players that can be sold if we need to achieve FFP.

3 big signings in the 5-7 bracket, plus projects / squad fillers for the rest of the squad, accounting for another 5-8m should do it
 
Laughing said:
Despite his stat of putting the ball in the back of the net suggests he would.

Literally the only stat you care about suggests he would get 20 a season.
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I basing my view on the what I’ve seen of him playing, and on what I’ve seen he doesn’t look like the kind of player who’ll score that many to me. I totally respect your view that he could of course, and I’d love to be proven wrong 😆
 
Merlin said:
I basing my view on the what I’ve seen of him playing, and on what I’ve seen he doesn’t look like the kind of player who’ll score that many to me. I totally respect your view that he could of course, and I’d love to be proven wrong 😆
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But have you got a good whiff of him? That would make your mind up one way or another
 
Agree he can only really play up front, rather than either side of a main striker. Doesn't look like he has any tricks in him. He would just push and run. In fact, as others have stated, his touch looks a bit clumsy and a funny choice for a Carrick team, where we have more of the ball and rely on one touch stuff (when we try it and it comes off). Lath seems a run the channels type striker. However, it seems we will only really know how good he is next season, due to all his and our injuries. Definitely need to get a new strker/No. 10 who can hold it up, dictate play and score goals. Oh, for another Akpom from somewhere......
 
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