That's my thinking too. There's a lot of people like me who would never vote Tory, but can't vote for Labour with Starmer leading the party. That's why the Greens have done so well.
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Jedi boro
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WeeGord
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I'm gutted I tell ya, gutted
Andy_W
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It's good that he's going against them, he's one of their poster boys and the easily led who don't seem to handle detail well think he's a messiah.
He's completely missed the point though, and it grinds my gears that Tories in one way, that they keep mentioning the last year. It's 13 years which people are made at, and the exponential way it got worse up until Sunak came in I suppose. The last 6 months for them have been better for them than the 3 years before that, since the last election. They started digging the hole a long time ago, most of it a long before teh last year.
Laughing
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They will gain about 600. It's a good day for labour.
Andy_W
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If Tories don't recognise that this problem has largely come from the last few years (not just the last year), then they've got no chance. The need to be highlighting brexit and then 2019 onwards as the clusterfuck, and 90% of the problems we've had are down to Brexit and Boris and co.
This might **** off a lot of their support, but they don't realise it is that support which is actually killing them.
They need two stages to claw votes back from the centre (there are no more votes on the right to take).
1 - Realise that the last 6 month has actually been better performance for them, when compared to the previous 3 years at least. It's not been good, but has been better (for them).
2 - Get out of bed with the far right, and really start to soften up (which is the option I think Sunak might be trying to do).
If they don't do the above, they will get hammered by Labour (and the lib dems), which will allow Labour to basically do what they like, they will have the wiggle room to do whatever they want, and could probably gradually introduce some further left policies which a lot of people are bizarrely afraid of. Lib dems will be more open to these policies than a tory government would also.
If they do soften up, they can take some Labour voters back but maybe not the lib dem ones, it won't be enough for the election win or majority, nowhere near, but this would still be ok for Labour, as they would be relying on more of their core voters and it might stop a bit of Labour in-fighting (from supposed supporters).
What looks like has happened is the Tories have sapped every ounce of the far right which is remaining, at the cost of those who prop them up from the centre and even centre right. That's how they've actually made the odd gain here and there, they're picking up scraps off the floor but losing the buffet.
They're also bleeding to the Lib Dems, and if the Tories don't want to go to Labour that could actually be very good for Labour, as the Lib Dems might even be able to take over the Tories long term, as crazy as that sounds. This was impossible around the time of the last election.
It's good that the greens are getting votes too, it might spur more people on the left to vote, as they might think it's not a waste and hopefully they get some seats in the GE.
We might actually soon be starting to move away from an effective 2 party system, and could end up with a 4 party system, and the furthest right of that being Tories, which is good as it means no UKIP/ Reform types etc.
This might **** off a lot of their support, but they don't realise it is that support which is actually killing them.
They need two stages to claw votes back from the centre (there are no more votes on the right to take).
1 - Realise that the last 6 month has actually been better performance for them, when compared to the previous 3 years at least. It's not been good, but has been better (for them).
2 - Get out of bed with the far right, and really start to soften up (which is the option I think Sunak might be trying to do).
If they don't do the above, they will get hammered by Labour (and the lib dems), which will allow Labour to basically do what they like, they will have the wiggle room to do whatever they want, and could probably gradually introduce some further left policies which a lot of people are bizarrely afraid of. Lib dems will be more open to these policies than a tory government would also.
If they do soften up, they can take some Labour voters back but maybe not the lib dem ones, it won't be enough for the election win or majority, nowhere near, but this would still be ok for Labour, as they would be relying on more of their core voters and it might stop a bit of Labour in-fighting (from supposed supporters).
What looks like has happened is the Tories have sapped every ounce of the far right which is remaining, at the cost of those who prop them up from the centre and even centre right. That's how they've actually made the odd gain here and there, they're picking up scraps off the floor but losing the buffet.
They're also bleeding to the Lib Dems, and if the Tories don't want to go to Labour that could actually be very good for Labour, as the Lib Dems might even be able to take over the Tories long term, as crazy as that sounds. This was impossible around the time of the last election.
It's good that the greens are getting votes too, it might spur more people on the left to vote, as they might think it's not a waste and hopefully they get some seats in the GE.
We might actually soon be starting to move away from an effective 2 party system, and could end up with a 4 party system, and the furthest right of that being Tories, which is good as it means no UKIP/ Reform types etc.
Chris_Boro
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Things you love to see...
Andy_W
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Absolutely, it's a great day.
If Tories lost say 500 seats and 80% went to labour that's probably a worse result for labour than the Tories losing 1000 and labour getting 50%.
This could start something which completely kills the tories off, loads of Tory voters will see Lib dems as a realistic alternative to the Tories now and it also gives the likes of the greens more of a say.
Tory votes going anywhere is good, especially when they already have all the far-right votes, so there's no more to be propped up from that side.
Council votes are a bit weird too, people tend to split allegiance more to independents and the like, but the Indies got hammered too. Come the GE, Lib Dem could really hoover up some blue seats which are impossible for Labour.
Andy_W
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Awesome, that's a major milestone of a catastrophe for them.
Chris_Boro
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Tories have actually delivered on the promise of 1000 Councillor losses.
Fair play.
Fair play.
HolgateCorner
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Enormous number of cap doffers in this country, even in 1997 they got 30% of the vote.Apart from being completely bonkers, I t’s actually quite worrying. Maybe next GE isn’t going to be the cake walk we hope for
Labour will have to work hard to win the next election with good policies which appeal to the majority, and that’s the way it should be.
Cardiffdaffs
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Here is the result of the jury from Liverpool in time for Eurovision.
Labour 61
Lib Dems 15
Greens 3
Independents 3
Liberals 3
Conservatives 0
Labour 61
Lib Dems 15
Greens 3
Independents 3
Liberals 3
Conservatives 0
FabioPorkpie
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‘Nil poi!’
jam69
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I disagree, labour gained lots of seats last time these were contested , there's only so many you can pick up.
The lib dems have done well in areas labour couldn't win, looks like tactical voting.
Labour have done well in areas they need to win in a GE
Duffman
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Embarrassed and ashamed to live in Ingleby Barwick today. Barely anybody bothers to turn up to vote and in my patch we returned a former UKIP racist/ homophobe and two Tories! Simply impossible to understand - how do people sleep at night when the NHS is on its knees, Truss broke the economy escalating mortgage rates, immigration policy is non existent, the cost of living crisis is crippling most people, foodbank use is at record levels and inflation means we pay more for everything. Add to this Utility companies making record profits on the back of the poorest, non doms taking everything whilst contributing nothing. All laid at the Tories feet and selfish I’m alright jacks in IB stick their cross in the UKIP and Tory box. Desperately sad and disappointing