ForssAwakens
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A 21 year old conservative, who studies in Middlesbrough, and lives in saltburn is who
I need to contact to make changes in the ward I live
I need to contact to make changes in the ward I live
Local elections TODAY
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norfolkngood
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Easy to explain.
Working class Normanby. thick as pig
. Not a brain in most of their heads. Believe all the Houchen tells them. Getting a new swimming pool and a set of traffic lights in Eston Square all paid for personally by lemon head Young.Middle class Saltburn, not thick as pig
. Got a few brains between them. Can think for themselves. Some read newspapers other than the Sun and Express. Understand that they've been shafted. Vote accordingly.
Billyzin
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Same people who try to bully you out of the way if you're not doing 90 mph plus on the A19.
Especially if you're in a car over a year old.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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Might keep some of the cats out the garden, my wife is against me doing it for some reason.
gregorgregorovich
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I live in Normanby and I'm absolutely gutted at the result. But, prior to 2019, when Normanby, election after election was returning 3 Labour councillors and Saltburn was returning Tories time after time, was the opposite of your hopeless, sweeping generalisation true?Easy to explain.
Working class Normanby. thick as pig
Middle class Saltburn, not thick as pig
ThatFragranceGuy
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I wouldn't say they're truly independent they're basically Ingleby labour, almost always vote with labour but they are Ingleby focused and by working with labour they get things done for Ingleby. Been the only party that came to our house canvassing. Tories and labour totally absent, Zoe Mathers, Ted Strike's sock puppet, invisible.
Andy_W
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It's a disaster for the Tories, but the disaster would have been worse before Sunak came in, with Boris or Truss. It's a disaster for him as they'll pin it on him, without realising it's a 13-year problem. This ultimately ends up in a disaster for the Tories most of all, as well as being a disaster for 90% of the population, even though half don't realise it (most of them living in Ingleby it seems).
By the time Boris left, they were polling similar to Sunak now, but for Boris the curve was going the wrong way, and for Sunak he's turned it in the right direction (for him/ them). It's not going to turn fast enough though. They've been behind in the polls for a year and a half now.
Most of them still don't get it, but it appears that some are now finally realising that you've got absolutely zero chance of winning anything relying purely on the far right, and there are no more far-right votes to take, they've been exhausted.
One thing people keep missing from this, is that UKIP and reform have practically disappeared, been completely absorbed by the Tories and the Tories are still doing ****, even with 360 MP's and the majority of press on their side. The game is well and truly up.
The level of tactical voting here, "anything but the tories" has been off the scale too, and there's now some other genuine choices for people other than Labour. This is good, it might take a few Labour voters, but who cares when it's going to take a load more Tories. If Labour know LD can steal some tory seats they know they can probably soften up a bit and try and appease the Corbyn fans.
In a local election, it doesn't really show how bad that is, as people vote wonky ways in their district/ council, but it will at the GE. The tories have no votes to hoover, where as LAB/LD/Greens will more than happily not field candidates in areas they can't win, if it stops the tories.
Also lots of people forgetting some of the major cities, wales, london, Scotland etc were never even voting in the local elections, and the Tories will get battered in all of those areas.
The tory support areas and voting circles are shrinking by the day, and they've exhausted all of their options for external support.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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It's a bit like the tories took out a massive Wonga style payday loan at 1000000% APR and had a great time with it.
Now they have pi**** all that money up the wall they have no way of paying it back and are about to become bankrupt.
The key players in this though will just ride off into the sunset, leaving a smoking ruin of a Tory party behind them.
Sounds good to me
ThePrisoner
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They won't pay a penny back. Billions of public money plundered in plain view. This is what India must have been like under the Raj. Except we are the coolies now.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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Me too, the tory party does deserve to die really -the party, not the people in it before anyone gets their knickers in a twist - for inflicting such a huge amount of damage on the country.
Easy to explain.
Working class Normanby. thick as pig
Middle class Saltburn, not thick as pig
If it’s easy to explain would you like to reply to gregorgreorovich post.
Andy_W
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Yup, people earn 30-40k or live in a relatively new 3-bed semi or 4-bed detached and think because that's over average, it puts them into the mid to upper-middle-class category, that's bad, but what is even worse is that they think this is who the tories are trying to look out for (they're not).
Tories don't give a **** about Ingleby Barwick, or Yarm either for that matter, they might if people were living in those size houses in the southeast, but even then it's doubful, and those wages wouldn't cut it down there for that, far from it. The Tories do need to con these people for their votes though, and are seemingly quite good at it.
95% of people who meet the below criteria are not going to be getting good value by voting Tory:
- People who use the NHS (for all healthcare, i.e no high-level private cover)
- Have kids in state schools
- Work in the public sector
- Have over 10k debt on loans over 5%
- Pay any credit card interest
- Don't have 6 months earnings as readily accessible cash
- Are going to have to work when they're over 55/60
The point where voting Tory may actually benefit them is those with a net worth over £1m, or people who will get there, maybe earning 100k or those who could retire at age 50. Even then, if you've got a conscience (or a less well-of family) you probably shouldn't vote Tory.
Laughing
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I don't really agree with your last statement.
Whilst walking to the polling station with my 12 year old she asked if I disliked people who voted tory. It's a complex question. Everyone should vote in their own self-interest, that is democracy at it's core.
However, many vote conservative not understanding what is in their best interest. I live in a rich area and the nonsense that tory voters come out with. We have all heard the ridiculous claim that the tories are better with the economy. Every shred of evidence tells us otherwise.
Labour borrow more than tories. Again demonstrably not true.
My issue, as I described it to my daughter was that people should vote in their own self-interest, what I find hard to accept is that most people simply don't understand enough about politics and their various ideological flavours to be capable of voting in their own self-interest.
So to summarise, nothing wrong with voting for yourself, but there is plenty wrong with reading the mail, or indeed the gaurdian, alone and using that as your wikipedia when deciding how to cast your vote.
Andy_W
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Aye, I think that's important.
Labour couldn't trust LD to pull their weight prior, but if they can do some heavy lifting now, and it appears they may be able to then it actually takes pressure off Labour. I still wouldn't want Starmer laying firm policies on the line though, not now, it's still too early. Hopefully, they now have some good data and will be looking at every seat, working out what they know they can take and what they might be better off letting LD take (to a degree). They don't want to be taking risks and fighting each other splitting the anti-tory vote. Labour and LD don't need a coalition, but if they work together and have some common ground then they can both really **** the Tories over.
LD seem to have woken up but I'm still not quite sure how it will transform over to the GE though, it will need some time to figure that out. I presume a lot of possible LD voters may have been voting tory for brexit, as LD were really pushing the remain line. I'm not sure on LD's stance on that now, maybe it's similar, and maybe those LD's who left also realise brexit is going to be a nightmare.
The GE will refine those votes down though, there won't be so many choices and people will either basically be forced into picking Tory or Not Tory, and if Lab/ LD don't really fight each other, then they will both get the best result they can hope for.
If LD can't pull their weight then Labour will need to basically carry on as they have been doing, and just 100% make sure the centre and some slightly right is not voting Tory.
Andy_W
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Yeah, sorry, my point is people are fine to vote in their self-interest, I totally get that, and most should do that. But basically, people don't know well enough what is good for their self-interest (financially/ actual quality of life), they think they're voting for themselves, but they're actually not.
I know a lot of Tories, most of them are quite sound people, but a lot of them don't seem to really understand their own position or don't think about it in the detail they should, or they don't actually understand who the Tories are actually aiming to help.
It only takes 50k a year to be top 15%, but 50k a year isn't likely providing private healthcare, private school, cars paid off, low LTV on the mortgage or no mortgage, loads fo savings, retiring at 50 etc.
To me, unless you're retired very early, and well and truly comfortable, then Tories possibly only benefit the top 5% of people actually working, it takes 80k to be top 5%, there isn't many doing that where I live, which just voted 2/3rds Tory.