Luke ayling thoughts

Ayling is rubbish. He's built a career on eagerness, a 110%er, but you can't get by on that in today's technical game. You have to be able to trap a ball, play accurate first-time passes etc.
I used to like Dijksteel but you can see his confidence is shot. Probably needs a move as Carrick couldn't be clearer that he doesn't fancy him. after playing a 19 year old centre back ahead of him!
Why is right back always such a problem position for us? We could get a free pick at a specialist right-back academy and find the only duff one.
 
For me, he's a Tommy Smith type player in that he's a decent championship right back and a good squad member but not someone i'd want to be our #1 RB for a full season - but also he isn't as good as Tommy Smith.
 
Smith is a level above Ayling, both on and off the pitch.

Ayling will go down as having the better career, but as of now, at the current stages of their career, Smith would be easily our first choice RB if he was fit, and it wouldn't even be a close contest.

If Smith didn't get that season ending injury, then Ayling wouldn't be here. Pretty simple really.
I don't agree, for either metric, but there's not a massive amount in it.

They're both about the same age and Ayling has played twice as many games, and played the last three years before this in the premiership (rest of those mostly top of the championship). This suggests he's been better historically, and very recently, which I'm assuming backs up my point that he's been a better player and thus still is a better player. Ayling was playing in the prem for Leeds, when Smith was playing for Stoke who were quite a bit worse than us. He was playing in the prem for leeds when smith was playing for us last year, and we were two teams worlds apart (mostly).

Leeds won't have wanted to let Ayling go, they will have wanted him still in their squad but he clearly had to leave to get first team football, Leeds are much better than us this season.

Smith did get injured though, and a bad one, which wasn't his first injury either and will he be ok when coming back? Sure if we had Smith then we wouldn't have got Ayling in (not enough wage budget, and not a long term option), don't disagree with that. But we would have still been looking for a younger right back solution, which we probably still are. Just because we wouldn't have replaced Smith if we still had him, doesn't mean Ayling isn't better.

They both seem like good pro's though, Ayling has been captain a lot etc, and you don't play 500 games if you're not a good player with a decent attitude. Neither is our long term solution though, Smith was a stop gap, and so is Ayling, or that's what I'm hoping anyway. Neither would now not likely be good enough to start for a top 3 championship side, not unless it was a team made up of top half players and some world beaters. I don't think that's our model, we seem to be aiming for a above average squad, largely filled with younger players, trying to go up via the play-off route, but this is taking time to sort out. We clearly don't have the money or don't want to risk the money for what we would need to spend to be top 2, as we're being priced out by prem teams, and it will cost too much money to catch up to their retained ability for players they hold onto after relagation.
 
Definitely need a first choice right back next summer. Recruitment have had at least a year to sort out this position. I don't know why they haven't been able to identify an up and coming young player. We could have done with someone this year to get up to speed. Along with a striker and good central mf, a position we have been lacking for a while.
I think (hope) we've been looking at other priorities and had wage allocation and funds set aside for that first, but for one reason or another it's not materialised.
 
I don't agree, for either metric, but there's not a massive amount in it.

They're both about the same age and Ayling has played twice as many games, and played the last three years before this in the premiership (rest of those mostly top of the championship). This suggests he's been better historically, and very recently, which I'm assuming backs up my point that he's been a better player and thus still is a better player. Ayling was playing in the prem for Leeds, when Smith was playing for Stoke who were quite a bit worse than us. He was playing in the prem for leeds when smith was playing for us last year, and we were two teams worlds apart (mostly).

Leeds won't have wanted to let Ayling go, they will have wanted him still in their squad but he clearly had to leave to get first team football, Leeds are much better than us this season.

Smith did get injured though, and a bad one, which wasn't his first injury either and will he be ok when coming back? Sure if we had Smith then we wouldn't have got Ayling in (not enough wage budget, and not a long term option), don't disagree with that. But we would have still been looking for a younger right back solution, which we probably still are. Just because we wouldn't have replaced Smith if we still had him, doesn't mean Ayling isn't better.

They both seem like good pro's though, Ayling has been captain a lot etc, and you don't play 500 games if you're not a good player with a decent attitude. Neither is our long term solution though, Smith was a stop gap, and so is Ayling, or that's what I'm hoping anyway. Neither would now not likely be good enough to start for a top 3 championship side, not unless it was a team made up of top half players and some world beaters. I don't think that's our model, we seem to be aiming for a above average squad, largely filled with younger players, trying to go up via the play-off route, but this is taking time to sort out. We clearly don't have the money or don't want to risk the money for what we would need to spend to be top 2, as we're being priced out by prem teams, and it will cost too much money to catch up to their retained ability for players they hold onto after relagation.
Smith was a STOP GAP - True - BUT......his level of play and his leadership qualities and attitude are all the ingredients required to get teams out of this league - hence why MC has kept him and played in nearly every game before his injury.
So, i think you underestimate Smith and slightly over estimate Ayling. His attitude is excellent, cant immediately see his leadership qualities like we actively seen at Leeds - his level of play has been about a 6/10 which isn't going to assist the team to get into the playoffs.
 
Dijksteel has just come back from injury and his pace saves us on a few occasions also links up with Isiah well.
Lets give him a chance to get to fitness.
Absolutely - Dijksteel is rusty as having not really played for months so no match fitness to draw upon or rhythm to his game....

It was no surprise to me that he struggled the other night.

Carrick clearly doesn't trust him or chooses not to play him because he is essentially an attacking right back - a good one at that - and Carrick doesn't like having two attacking full backs - the left side has been his attacking end and with jones down the right or forss and a safe full back behind them has meant little airtime for Dikjsteel.

It is what it is but we shouldn't have a go at the lad....it cannot be easy coming on like he did the other night.... we ought to have been 4 or 5 up by that time. I still maintain that Preston are one of the worst teams in the league. incredible how they aren't fighting to stay up.
 
Carrick clearly doesn't trust him or chooses not to play him because he is essentially an attacking right back - a good one at that - and Carrick doesn't like having two attacking full backs - the left side has been his attacking end
Someone better tell Ayling this because he's spent a lot more time in the attacking 3rd than the defending third since he got here.
 
After the initial love in for luke which was fab to see😊

Where are we with him now Several games in ?

It appears leeds were OK letting him.go and I'm thinking we can see why now

I feel he is leggy and out of position frequently but then will produce a peach of a ball or a decent tackle and I think he still has the spark within him....

We need more than the occasional spark...

What do we think
Am I seeing this wrong ?

Our full back position has been a thorny issue since George friend and I loved Ryan Giles as well as an attacking full back
He's better than Smith. Who I have no idea why Boro fans have a love in with.
 
Surprised at some of the comments on here regarding Dijksteel, it's strange how people see the game so differently from one another. I actually really rate Dijksteel and would have him RB any day of the week, has pace, can go past a man and is good on the ball.
 
Fell off a cliff last two games, after initially impressing. I did advocate on an earlier thread about the value of his experience and what he would bring to the dressing room as a permanent signing in the summer for the RB spot next season. The last two performances have made me question that view
 
Surprised at some of the comments on here regarding Dijksteel, it's strange how people see the game so differently from one another. I actually really rate Dijksteel and would have him RB any day of the week, has pace, can go past a man and is good on the ball.
The game against Preston summed up Dijksteel, and why he should be nowhere near the team if we have aspirations for promotion next season.

As you say, he did use his pace and did go past people, but then proceeded to lose the ball and leave us exposed in a worse position than if he'd have just played a simple pass.
 
He's filled a hole but i wouldn't sign him at the end of the season. I don't think he hugely improves us to be honest. Nothing between him and Tommy Smith.

Keep Tommy Smith and sign a new first choice right back.
 
Would like to see Dijksteel until the end of the season now, give him a run of games once he is actually fit and it could solve a big problem for next season.

Don’t get what anyone has seen in Ayling. A few on here making out he was fantastic somehow. Minus the Millwall game he has been average at very best
 
I would have ordinarily advocated for Dijksteel getting a game but the other night he only played for about 20 minutes and managed to somehow be our worst player. Worst I could say about Ayling the other night is his athleticism is obviously on a downward trend at his age, and some overly ambitious wayward passes forward. Dijksteel came on, seemed to miscontrol every pass he was given leaving other players to go lunging in to try and save it or getting lucky that the opposition player has got a foot on it but not managed to make the most of it. Absolutely disasterclass.
 
The games I’ve seen I think he looks rusty to be honest, like a guy who hasn’t played in a long time. A little bit lost defensively which I didn’t expect.

Happy enough to have him here, he gets a pass for his personality and past quality (and it doesn’t really matter, we’re mid table) but if he’s still playing at this level at the end of the season probably best to shake hands and not pursue it further.
 
Smith was a STOP GAP - True - BUT......his level of play and his leadership qualities and attitude are all the ingredients required to get teams out of this league - hence why MC has kept him and played in nearly every game before his injury.
So, i think you underestimate Smith and slightly over estimate Ayling. His attitude is excellent, cant immediately see his leadership qualities like we actively seen at Leeds - his level of play has been about a 6/10 which isn't going to assist the team to get into the playoffs.
Don't forget Ayling's been playing in a worse team with us, than Smith was, not to say that makes Ayling worse mind, as it doesn't. He would look better in a better team though, as he would be under threat less, which is why I think Dijksteele's also been massively exposed.

I think Smith's level of play is basic, won't stand out and won't let you down, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's hard to get promoted with that, you need more for top 3. Not that I'm saying we can afford top 3, as we probably can't (with a quick result), but we need to be realistic.

Attitude should be a given, this should be par, not something worthy of too much praise, but I get what you mean, at a time when a lot of players have a poor attitude. Incidentally like one of the right backs who we used to have, who was at Leeds, who they seemed to have kicked out again for poor attitude. They must have a lot of right backs! Leeds need above average playing ability, in all areas, or they won't get promoted, so must see the risk of letting Spence and Ayling go as worth that. They can afford the risk I suppose.

Leadership, from a senior player should almost be a given, and we should have plenty of leaders. Ayling was Leeds captain, many times, and they've been above us for years, so we should trust that. Also, he's only had a few games, normally it's not wise to shout your mouth off when you first arrive in a new job, at least until you've had time to figure things out. Sometimes saying nothing is better than saying the wrong thing.

We're a fair way short of getting into the play-offs I think, and much further from actually being able to win them (much further than last year). Too many injuries, too many disruptions and not enough time with a lot of new/ younger lads, play-offs is a tough ask. Not that I think we should have took all sorts of financial risks in January to go for that either mind, this is slow project, which should be longer term beneficial, I don't mind waiting if we do it right.
 
Useful to watch the Inside Matchday video for the Leicester match. Especially at the end you can see Ayling is already an important part of the group spirit. You can also see that despite his main career happening at Leeds and him only being here for a few months, he is absolutely giving everything on the pitch. He's hardly played all season and he wasn't completely match fit but he is getting sharper and stronger at a good rate.

Unless Smith's injury is career ending, which seems unlikely, I don't see Ayling staying here but he is doing his best to lead by example.
 
Don't forget Ayling's been playing in a worse team with us, than Smith was, not to say that makes Ayling worse mind, as it doesn't. He would look better in a better team though, as he would be under threat less, which is why I think Dijksteele's also been massively exposed.

I think Smith's level of play is basic, won't stand out and won't let you down, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's hard to get promoted with that, you need more for top 3. Not that I'm saying we can afford top 3, as we probably can't (with a quick result), but we need to be realistic.

Attitude should be a given, this should be par, not something worthy of too much praise, but I get what you mean, at a time when a lot of players have a poor attitude. Incidentally like one of the right backs who we used to have, who was at Leeds, who they seemed to have kicked out again for poor attitude. They must have a lot of right backs! Leeds need above average playing ability, in all areas, or they won't get promoted, so must see the risk of letting Spence and Ayling go as worth that. They can afford the risk I suppose.

Leadership, from a senior player should almost be a given, and we should have plenty of leaders. Ayling was Leeds captain, many times, and they've been above us for years, so we should trust that. Also, he's only had a few games, normally it's not wise to shout your mouth off when you first arrive in a new job, at least until you've had time to figure things out. Sometimes saying nothing is better than saying the wrong thing.

We're a fair way short of getting into the play-offs I think, and much further from actually being able to win them (much further than last year). Too many injuries, too many disruptions and not enough time with a lot of new/ younger lads, play-offs is a tough ask. Not that I think we should have took all sorts of financial risks in January to go for that either mind, this is slow project, which should be longer term beneficial, I don't mind waiting if we do it right.
Good post Andy.
I think we are saying the same/ similar thing in a different way 👍
 
He’s alright, got skinned time and time again by Clarke against Sunderland. 32 - not likely to improve. Wouldn’t want to sign him if I’m being perfectly honest.
 
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