Same_as_before
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I don't think there are 3 worse teams.
Newcastle fans protesting
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S7DiscoDown
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Unfortunately I think they will be fine
I can see 2 'worse' sides if you consider Sheff UTD are buried. I would be slightly worried as a mag with Big Sam going to WBA. He just has a Warnock type knack of making players better.
I can see 2 'worse' sides if you consider Sheff UTD are buried. I would be slightly worried as a mag with Big Sam going to WBA. He just has a Warnock type knack of making players better.
JM14
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To be fair settling for being safe every season for a club of that size is absolutely ridiculous especially when they were in Europe just a few years ago. They have every right to protest that and fair play to them for doing it, as a supporter watching a safe premier league finish every year with no ambition to improve or not having a go in the cups really isnt why we follow football.
They have the potential to be a huge club, I think that would be so frustrating knowing that yet targeting finishing 15th every season
They have the potential to be a huge club, I think that would be so frustrating knowing that yet targeting finishing 15th every season
Muttley
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I agree, I've watched both Fulham and West Brom recently and they are both playing better than Newcastle. Newcastle are trying to stop other teams scoring and are just not good enough at defending to do it. The worse problem is if they try to open up a bit and "play on the front foot" they look worse, more likely to concede and not much more likely to score. Without something changing they are going to be in the dogfight very soon.
changingman
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I lived there for years and they used to absolutely do my head in. Their equation of "big club" (based solely on the size of their stadium!) and successful club is grinding.
At best they're a lower half premier League who will occasionally flirt with relegation, as does about 60% of the league.
To suggest that their entitled to better is arrogant in the extreme. Cannot stand them.
At best they're a lower half premier League who will occasionally flirt with relegation, as does about 60% of the league.
To suggest that their entitled to better is arrogant in the extreme. Cannot stand them.
S7DiscoDown
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Frozen Horse
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I'm not sure they do.
Above all, I don't think Newcastle is a sufficiently fashionable destination to attract top players. I think it's a nice city, I live there, but I don't think it's perceived as a glitzy destination. Even if Newcastle could offer top wages and European football, top players will be able to get both those things at other clubs, in cities that aren't seen as backwaters.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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They don't have huge club potential at all.
Even their stadium is no longer 'huge' now that other clubs have increased capacity or building new grounds.
Like us they are geographically hampered so even with man city money they would struggle to win the prem whilst so money other super rich clubs are still around.
Frozen Horse
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What sympathy I have is more general, regarding the state of modern football.
Newcastle are (if they are lucky) PL also-rans, finishing in the wilderness of 12th-16th year after year, and probably sacrificing both cup competitions for the sake of finishing 13th.
It is a boring, monotonous existence, where survival and mediocrity is valued above any chance at sporting glory. Money is, or course, at the heart of it. But Newcastle are far from being alone in this position.
Newcastle are (if they are lucky) PL also-rans, finishing in the wilderness of 12th-16th year after year, and probably sacrificing both cup competitions for the sake of finishing 13th.
It is a boring, monotonous existence, where survival and mediocrity is valued above any chance at sporting glory. Money is, or course, at the heart of it. But Newcastle are far from being alone in this position.
MFP
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Their income revenue is something like the top 25 in Europe. They have the 8th biggest football stadium in the country, with a 51k average. Of course they have huge club potential. Consider where they were and where Man City were in 2007 when Mike Ashley took over and compare the two now.
Frozen Horse
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Colgates_shaving_foam
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I think our definitions of huge differ somewhat, I wouldn't say 8th biggest in the country is huge?
The Premier league TV income means pretty much half the prem will be in the 'top 25' so again not a sign of being 'huge'.
They are what they historically have been, mid-lower top flight club.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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Ha, I'm pretty much echoing what you're saying, like a bad assistant manager or school bully's best mate!
Lemmy_kilmister
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Three wins in a row and they start to talk about the Champions League.
Three defeats in a row and it's boycoutt/sack the manager/board.
Sky's little pet project didn't come off in the long run did it?
Three defeats in a row and it's boycoutt/sack the manager/board.
Sky's little pet project didn't come off in the long run did it?
GazBoro
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Newcastle fans protesting outside the ground?
What's new?
They hounded our SBR in August '04
They protested against Souness in January '06
Hounded out Allardyce in January '09 after he'd only been there 6 months (they then went and got relegated)
Had near riots because of Kinnear in March '09
Loved Shearer when he took over... and he then promptly relegated them
Held 4 years of protests against Pardew from 2010 to 2014 (despite him getting them to their highest league finish for over a decade)
Protested against Carver in June 2015 (that ones understandable, the guy was hopeless)
Then detested the appointment of McClaren who replaced Carver, and hounded him out by March 2016
At least everyone had some respite when Rafa was there (despite him doing feckall)... actually no, the protests continued, against Ashley... so no respite there!
Now they're protesting against Bruce. Nothing changes :)
They've been "protesting" for nearly two decades despite being in the premiership for all but two of those seasons.
But we 'divvint understand, man'.
What's new?
They hounded our SBR in August '04
They protested against Souness in January '06
Hounded out Allardyce in January '09 after he'd only been there 6 months (they then went and got relegated)
Had near riots because of Kinnear in March '09
Loved Shearer when he took over... and he then promptly relegated them
Held 4 years of protests against Pardew from 2010 to 2014 (despite him getting them to their highest league finish for over a decade)
Protested against Carver in June 2015 (that ones understandable, the guy was hopeless)
Then detested the appointment of McClaren who replaced Carver, and hounded him out by March 2016
At least everyone had some respite when Rafa was there (despite him doing feckall)... actually no, the protests continued, against Ashley... so no respite there!
Now they're protesting against Bruce. Nothing changes :)
They've been "protesting" for nearly two decades despite being in the premiership for all but two of those seasons.
But we 'divvint understand, man'.
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MFP
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Perhaps they do, but the conversation is about potential and given Newcastle are capable of generating big revenues and have one of the biggest fanbases in this country, they clearly have huge club potential. I'll point out again - look where Man City were when Ashley bought out Shepherd in 2007.
They're not in the top 30 because Ashley didn't provide Deloitte with accounts so they aren't on the list at all.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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In my opinion it's not a valid point as the financial landscape has shifted massively since then. FFP has meant the clubs at the top have pulled up the ladder behind them.
Newcastle have a large fanbase but again it's maybe 8th biggest? So not huge potential.
I'm sure that given the right recruitment and a bit of luck Newcastle could do a Leicester but I can't see them ever as a huge club.
JM14
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If they are doing well they could sell 80k tickets every week if they expanded, huge potential to massively expand the fan base and the brand to get around ffp. Don’t think their location matters as much as other clubs around here, with transport links etc you could be in London or other major cities in Europe within a few hours.
It’s a great city though so it’s not going to be as hard to attract players compared to clubs like us and Sunderland. I still don’t really buy that argument of location being an issue though. Players go where the money is and they can further their careers. Look at the players we’ve had without being a particularly attractive place to live.
MFP
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FFP is a complete joke, almost unenforceable and completely undermined.
51k average in a stadium that can be expanded and you're saying that isn't huge potential?