Planned riot in Middlesborough last weekend.

Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Absolutely no problem with a peaceful march. The right to peaceful protest is a cornerstone of our democracy in my opinion.
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There should always be some limitation, there are laws on hate speech for example and for good reason. There are laws on libel and just because a crowd are libelling someone that doesn’t make it acceptable. If they could do it without being racist or violent then sure. But…id give it at best a 0% chance of that
 
The Ruthsayer said:
Being concerned about immigration does not make one a racist. Discriminating against a person due to their skin colour or enthnicity does.
I’m concerned about immigration and the continued pressure on housing, transport, education etc., but I have challenged and fought against racism since my early teens.
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Rich countries like immigrants if they are educated, skilled or rich. The same countries don’t like people not fitting that description.

British people don’t mind being immigrants themselves, but don’t like others being immigrants in their country.
 
Omega said:
I don’t like it all when you can not protest whether you like what they are protesting about or not. This is a bad place to be you will also give the far right more ammunition to play the victim to those that are not far right but in their minds have genuine concerns
Let them march and show the less far right of the march they don’t want to be associated with these idiots .
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I wholeheartedly agree that the right to peaceful protest should not be taken from anyone.

However knowing what we know from this week, how happy would you be for this ‘peaceful protest’ to congregate outside your house, whilst your children/grandchildren play in your garden and your car parked nicely outside too?
 
Juninhoburger said:
The latest RWNJ conspiracy theory is it's left wing undercover activists infiltrating peaceful demonstrations (organised by ex-EDL members, but shhhhh) stirring up the violence.

You couldn't make it up (but they have.)
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The day after the Capitol Insurrection I was on a Teams call at work with some Americans. One of them was adamant the riot was done by ANTIFA and the FBI. The UK is now being subjected to the same American far-right misinformation by the same people in the oligarchy as they try to destroy democracy and institute neo-feudalism across the globe.
 
Dybuk said:
Where did that poster come from on tge OP?Would like to know where the Leeds march is today as I'm at the yard act gig in millennium square
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Was published on Facebook and shared repeatedly - even had a video endorsement from Irish Yaxley of Tenerife!
 
Nero said:
Rich countries like immigrants if they are educated, skilled or rich. The same countries don’t like people not fitting that description.

British people don’t mind being immigrants themselves, but don’t like others being immigrants in their country.
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That’s a very sweeping final paragraph Nero, and I’m going to disagree. As I’ve stated before numerous UN reports have lauded the UK as the most tolerant of immigration in the developed world.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
Being concerned about immigration does not make one a racist. Discriminating against a person due to their skin colour or enthnicity does.
I’m concerned about immigration and the continued pressure on housing, transport, education etc., but I have challenged and fought against racism since my early teens.
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So by him calling the protesters warriors that are fighting back...is he a racist or is he just a concerned citizen?
That was the point.
 
BoroMart said:
Immigration is a necessity. We have an aging population while we are having less kids. More people of pensionable age and less people paying into the pot and working in the nhs and care system to look after them.

I’ve yet to hear a workable solution to this conundrum that doesn’t involve immigration. Give it a go…
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Exactly, at present the country is having around 1.4 children per couple, on the horizon is a population collapse and its not just here it covers most of western Europe.
When we left the EU, we replaced, Polish, Romanian, Latvian etc with Indian , Nigerian etc.
There needs to be a proper grown up discussion about it, as they come and do the work for pittance in and work in industries that we all don't want to do.
 
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Ian Bairds Ears said:
Right I'm going to have a go at an opinion
As is my entitled right in a democracy with free speech....
Not hate speech not incitement not seeking violence

This country ( great Britain...united kingdom however you choose to label it...England.. even)

There have been generations of incoming pakistanis..Jamaicans....west Indians...Indians.. for many years the vast majority of whom came over looking for a new life and finding it

Generations later they are British and consider themselves so.

Fab

Now however...extremist Muslims have by enlarge taken over the agenda and are winning

They are winning because they are making the average British person hateful /suspicious of their peace loving religion

The bad guys are winning

Islamic sharia law and the treatment of women has to be controlled as its not the British way

It never will be

But we have already lost
We have Muslim strongholds in places like Blackburn where the average person is Islamist

I know so many Muslim lads and some of them are dodgy obviously like British people but most of them are great lads and lasses who contribute nothing but good.

The bad guys are winning

The extremists who want war are winning

There is a religious war coming without a doubt and I for one want to get off the world on many an occasion

What we need is a one love..peace party ...John Lennon style....seriously people who march for peace and harmony

But this won't happen

As an atheist once said...

" what's all the fuss about " just grow up and lead a good life as an individual and a family

Help your fellow human and be kind to them
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Why did you write that? It looks like it has been copied and pasted? It is totally unacceptable racism.
 
breakthewallsdown said:
Absolutely shocking that someone organising a ‘protest’ in 2024 can be charged with terrorism charges, even if it’s something that most don’t agree with.
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it's been called out for what it is - a planned riot, gathering of racists, hooligans & neo-nazi's - in the guise of lawful protest.. they have no intention of protest, just to incite & inflame division & social disharmony - especially down racial & religious lines..

Anti-terror laws are the very laws they need to use, just ask Anjem Choudary..
 
So frustrating all this and I really hope the club come out with a statement at the game today, if ever there was an opportunity to use their platform for the good of the community this is it.

There are plenty of legitimate things to get worked up about (especially on Teesside) and that are unfairly affecting “normal working families”. People should be protesting about the public services we all paid for being sold off and treated like a current account for their shareholders. What’s happening at the moment is fervent racism stoked by misinformation from Farage, Russian bots and others who stand to gain from more division.

Come on Boro let’s fight the Fascists
 
Ian Bairds Ears said:
Now however...extremist Muslims have by enlarge taken over the agenda and are winning

They are winning because they are making the average British person hateful /suspicious of their peace loving religion
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Well, I won't belittle your opinion by mocking the spelling etc., I'll take issue with the content.

I see no context in which Muslim extremists have "taken over the agenda" (what agenda?; let's not hide behind cliches and rhetoric). They make 0 impact on the day to day life that I lead, or that of anyone I know. In what sense does extremist Islam impact on your day to day life?

There has been an attempt to make the Southport murders about Islam, but I have yet to see any link between the individual involved and Islam. As far as I'm aware, his family moved here from a strongly Christian country, and he comes from a Christian family. I realize that the right wing has tried to relate these killings to Islam, but that is their agenda, not anyone else's.
 
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BoroMart said:
There should always be some limitation, there are laws on hate speech for example and for good reason. There are laws on libel and just because a crowd are libelling someone that doesn’t make it acceptable. If they could do it without being racist or violent then sure. But…id give it at best a 0% chance of that
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Totally agree, my response was my thoughts in general about right to protest.

This one planned for Boro is a nailed on Nazi (see sunderland swastika before any of you racist raw lot get on your high horse) white supremacist circle jerk, guaranteed to be violent if not nipped in the bud very early.
 
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