PMQ's - My Personal U-Turn - Starmer Out

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Which policies of the Tories would you say was a winner Jam. Have the actually published their manifesto yet. Sadly elections don't seem to be about policies anymore.

The question is which Miliband? How would answering your question help that debate along?

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

Don’t think they are allowed to just ask the same question over and over if an answer has been given are they?

No, neither are they allowed to accuse another member of lying I don't think.

I find the whole etiquette and rules of the house incredibly outdated, from what is and isn't allowed, to the bizarre public schoolboy behaviour of the benches.

 

[Lefty]

Anyone who was a brexit supporter would be a bad choice of leader, partly because that puts them out of step with the members and voters but mainly because it shows a shocking lack of understanding and intelligence. No thank you.

Nandy is too lightweight.

Starmer needs time to grow into more of a bulldog and understand the arena he is now in. He isn't that long an MP, let alone leader and he has had covid snookering him, a bitter revengeful far left cult undermining him and the most brazen unashamed liar as an opponent.

Starmer may never grow into a great Parliamentarian or politician - he has made quite a few mistakes just within sorting Labour out - but it is too soon to write him off yet.

What a good leader does is surround himself with a good team and I think he is trying to do that. It will be better when the likes of Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are back on the front bench I hope.

Burnham is decent and likeable, but also not ready yet.

There is plenty of time for economic chaos to impact Johnson. Let's see what happens then. His own party are circling, waiting for his popularity with the public to show any signs of dissipating, then who have they got?

 

[WoodallServices]

The trouble is Starmer is barrister trying to choose his words carefully when there’s no need too when what we need is someone like a Dennis Skinner type who doesn’t give a fcuk about the speaker or who he upset when he was in the right!! Which was quite often!

 

[Lefty]

The trouble is Starmer is barrister trying to choose his words carefully when there’s no need too when what we need is someone like a Dennis Skinner type who doesn’t give a fcuk about the speaker or who he upset when he was in the right!! Which was quite often!

Yes, he needs to adapt. This is not a courtroom. It should be subject to the same rules and accountability, but conventions have meant nothing to this incarnation of the blue rosettes.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

a bitter revengeful far left cult undermining him

A little disingenuous to say the least. Do you really not remember how Corbyn and the left were treated by the PLP and that Starmer was part of the coup and the man who contradicted his leader saying 'brexit can be stopped.' The bitterness toward some in the party predates Starmer's leadership.

 

[Laughing]

A little disingenuous to say the least. Do you really not remember how Corbyn and the left were treated by the PLP and that Starmer was part of the coup and the man who contradicted his leader saying 'brexit can be stopped.' The bitterness toward some in the party predates Starmer's leadership.

You're right bbg. The problem is that the party have to move on from that and the t*t for tat political games of they want to have any chance

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

You're right bbg. The problem is that the party have to move on from that and the t*t for tat political games of they want to have any chance

You are also right but I think it may be too late. Many on the left will not vote Labour again and many more say that their vote must be earned.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

I don't think pmqs matter in the slightest. Who watches them?
Whether he has a nice haircut is of far more relevance with the voting public than a person's performance in parliament.

 

[Lefty]

A little disingenuous to say the least. Do you really not remember how Corbyn and the left were treated by the PLP and that Starmer was part of the coup and the man who contradicted his leader saying 'brexit can be stopped.' The bitterness toward some in the party predates Starmer's leadership.

You have just demonstrated my point.

And Starmer was not only telling the truth, he was quoting Party policy by then. It was Corbyn and his inner cadre that were briefing against the policy of putting the deal to a confirmatory vote, which was, I remind you, the logical and only sensible thing to do.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

You have just demonstrated my point.

No, I have not just demonstrated your point. Firstly I'm not far left. Secondly you are totally ignoring the bitterness toward Corbyn from the right of the party, that tried to destroy him. They wanted blood right from the beginning and were eager for a vote of no confidence right before his first by election, until he returned an increased majority. Starmer was a major player in that.

How big is this bitter far left cult and how are they undermining him so easily?

 

[Lefty]

No, I have not just demonstrated your point. Firstly I'm not far left. Secondly you are totally ignoring the bitterness toward Corbyn from the right of the party, that tried to destroy him. They wanted blood right from the beginning and were eager for a vote of no confidence right before his first by election, until he returned an increased majority. Starmer was a major player in that.

How big is this bitter far left cult and how are they undermining him so easily?

You have.

I agree with you that the Right of the Party and most of the PLP thought he would be a terrible leader and tried to undermine him from the outset in 2015 right up until the 2017 campaign. Shame on them.

They were right though. By 2019 he had been trapped into an election he didn't need to have, knowing from his own polling would be disastrous, yet still went ahead and handed Boris an 80 seat majority and a right wing incompetent Brexit govt to handle a pandemic.

My point is two wrongs don't make a right. Your point is 'yeah well, they did it first!' FFS!

The far left had their chance and royally screwed us all, time they acknowledge this and take a step back, not do the t*t for tat stuff out of bitterness, however entitled they might be.

 

[jam69]

I don't think the left are starmers biggest problem, they either reluctantly voted Labour or didn't vote.
The problem starmer has is those voters who don't really follow politics who in the past voted Labour without much thought as it was what many of the working classes do, the tories represent the rich etc, then along came brexit and since then they see labour as the party that tried to block brexit, the tories keep stoking that fire and they foolishly believe they have more in common with the old etonian establishment, the icing on the cake for tory HQ was a bumbling fool for PM who can hide his privilege behind his stupidity.
Will take long time for Labour to win them back.

 

[Anton_Berg]

I've just watched Starmer miss the biggest open goal he's had in PMQ's since he was voted in as leader. I like the man but he's not the leader that Labour needs now. Johnson just batted the questions away.

I think we need someone like Sarah Champion. She is a Brexit supporter and has a decent enough CV. She's a northern MP. Or can we convince someone like Andy Burnham to stand in a by-election somewhere?

I hoped for so much when Starmer was elected. Sadly he's not the leader to take down Johnson.

We?

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

My point is two wrongs don't make a right. Your point is 'yeah well, they did it first!' FFS!

You're right, two wrongs don't make a right but one of the architects of Corbyn's defeat is begging for the left's vote whilst simultaneously purging the party of the left wingers and denying left wing Jewish groups a voice.

The far left had their chance and royally screwed us all,

No that was the right. We could have won in 17 but right wing MPs and the executive made damn sure that we didn't. Labour are finished.

 

[Wiseman_Vaughn]

I don't think the left are starmers biggest problem, they either reluctantly voted Labour or didn't vote.
The problem starmer has is those voters who don't really follow politics who in the past voted Labour without much thought as it was what many of the working classes do, the tories represent the rich etc, then along came brexit and since then they see labour as the party that tried to block brexit, the tories keep stoking that fire and they foolishly believe they have more in common with the old etonian establishment, the icing on the cake for tory HQ was a bumbling fool for PM who can hide his privilege behind his stupidity.
Will take long time for Labour to win them back.

Yep. It's all about the perception of what voters believe Labour stands for. Rightly or wrongly, they have been portrayed as representing Middle Class Islington types. Maybe this is portrayed through the media, along with Corbyn supports terrorism etc etc.

 

[MolteniArcore]

Has Cummings mentioned the over 80s quote, wasn't it just leaked as speculation? Starmer couldn't mention it if Cummings has not yet, unless I missed a bit ?

Yes, he confirmed that the story as reported by the BBC was true.

Covid: Boris Johnson's 'bodies pile high' comments prompt criticism

The prime minister has strongly denied saying the phrase, describing the reports as "total rubbish".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[MolteniArcore]

We?

Typo, I was meant to say Labour. I am not a Labour member and a floating voter so the use of we is a poor choice. I was excited by Starmer though and hoped he might be the leader to take Labour forwards in the next election and even oust the Tories.

(Edit - now edited)

 

[Lefty]

You're right, two wrongs don't make a right but one of the architects of Corbyn's defeat is begging for the left's vote whilst simultaneously purging the party of the left wingers and denying left wing Jewish groups a voice.

No that was the right. We could have won in 17 but right wing MPs and the executive made damn sure that we didn't. Labour are finished.

This is a well researched account. You need to read it and digest it for a moment.

It is in the European, but it is accurate

 

[Billy Horner]

They were right though. By 2019 he had been trapped into an election he didn't need to have, knowing from his own polling would be disastrous, yet still went ahead and handed Boris an 80 seat majority and a right wing incompetent Brexit govt to handle a pandemic.

Well there's a rewriting of history!

The election was guaranteed to happen from the moment the SNP and Lib Dems broke ranks with the opposition and said they would support the government's Bill calling a general election. Corbyn was forced into supporting the Bill, unless you think that Labour would have done better looking like they were being dragged kicking and screaming into an election?