Protest at the snooker

sherlock1969 said:
So you're ok with horses dying for the entertainment of people, and don't want people's entertainment disrupted by a protest drawing attention to the impending climate disaster?

Weird priorities you have.
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1. I’m fine with horses being used for racing. If you’ve ever eaten an animal or used any animal based product or any product that was tested on animals then you’ve caused significantly worse suffering than horse racing ever will. Think people seem to forget that fact when suggesting horse racing is such a big issue

2. What can a snooker crowd do to stop climate change? If they had protested an event packed with world leaders I would have fully supported them. Disrupting normal peoples lives achieves nothing
 
Muttley said:
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And which party will use things like this as part of their culture wars to make disruptive protests illegal and hand long sentences to protestors? The more it happens, the more the public turn against the protestors and it plays into the governments hands perfectly when they make laws even tougher around protesting and will have the public backing to do so


Muttley said:
Yes it did, as you are ironically demonstrating very well.
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What difference has it made?
 
bumface said:
I had this conversation with Nobby a while back. Nothing to do with oil, but snooker is a racist sport, if you can even call it a sport. The white ball flies around the table beating up all of the other different coloured balls and it leaves the black ball until last, because it REALLY hates the black ball. That just seems wrong to me.
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Its all gone to pot
 
JM14 said:
And which party will use things like this as part of their culture wars to make disruptive protests illegal and hand long sentences to protestors? The more it happens, the more the public turn against the protestors and it plays into the governments hands perfectly when they make laws even tougher around protesting and will have the public backing to do so



What difference has it made?
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We're all talking about it.
 
JM14 said:
What difference has it made?
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We're talking about it.

Alternatively do nothing to upset anyone and wait for the collapse of the environment, wars to grab food and water, etc.

Yes the Government can always try to silence protest but as we see here if people are prepared to go to jail or risk personal injury then legislation will do nothing but fill the prisons. Thank goodness our mothers, fathers and grandparents were prepared to fight for a better life for us all rather than wringing their hands over a spoiled horse race.
 
I think this was a good protest. It highlights that our government has no roadmap to phasing out fossil fuels.
Also, this event is followed by many millions in China and around the world.
Also - No harm done. Just seen Mark Allen (on the other table) interviewed and he was not put out in the slightest.
 
For the darts maybe the could put some greaze or oil on the darts oche. So all these fat sportsmen could spin on the spot before falling on their large behinds
 
Muttley said:
We're talking about it.

Alternatively do nothing to upset anyone and wait for the collapse of the environment, wars to grab food and water, etc.

Yes the Government can always try to silence protest but as we see here if people are prepared to go to jail or risk personal injury then legislation will do nothing but fill the prisons. Thank goodness our mothers, fathers and grandparents were prepared to fight for a better life for us all rather than wringing their hands over a spoiled horse race.
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We always talk about it, climate change really isn’t a subject which people need awareness of. I think people are mainly talking about the stupidity of the protest and not about actual climate change however

I really think they are overestimating this government if they think causing public disruption can make any sort of difference. This is the same government which has just allowed millions to practically starve or freeze this winter

Ultimately I just don’t see the amount of public backing to make wide scale policy changes which they are demanding. Voters clearly have bigger priorities and I don’t see that changing anytime soon
 
SmallTown said:
Maybe we need to reframe the argument. We aren't actually destroying the planet. The earth will still keep spinning and still survive, it'll recover. We won't. As a species we are only making it less habitable for ourselves. Which is crazy
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Not just for themselves, SmallTown. Humans are f*cking things up for every other species on the planet too. The bum faced folk have usually tried to help humanity. We weren't always like that though. In ancient times we used to slaughter humans, just for a laugh, but we stopped doing that centuries ago. We are considering wiping out your species now though. We won't take any pleasure in it, but it does seem like the best thing to do under the circumstances.
 
JM14 said:
1. I’m fine with horses being used for racing. If you’ve ever eaten an animal or used any animal based product or any product that was tested on animals then you’ve caused significantly worse suffering than horse racing ever will. Think people seem to forget that fact when suggesting horse racing is such a big issue

2. What can a snooker crowd do to stop climate change? If they had protested an event packed with world leaders I would have fully supported them. Disrupting normal peoples lives achieves nothing
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Point number one is a spot on..

Point number two. It wasn't even about the sport or the crowd. Probably just the fact it was televised.
 
newusername said:
Interesting twitter thread on Just Stop Oil's tactics...
https://twitter.com/x/status/1648270935068221441
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Interesting thread, but surely for anything to work they need large scale public support with enough willing to take action to force the government into change. And so far there is nothing to suggest anywhere near enough people are bothered enough to cause any actual policy change.
A few people will cause a fair bit of disruption but the majority response of the public will be to call on the government to stop the protests, which just makes it counterproductive
 
JM14 said:
Interesting thread, but surely for anything to work they need large scale public support with enough willing to take action to force the government into change. And so far there is nothing to suggest anywhere near enough people are bothered enough to cause any actual policy change.
A few people will cause a fair bit of disruption but the majority response of the public will be to call on the government to stop the protests, which just makes it counterproductive
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As the twitter thread says JSO is not focused on winning the public over; they're focusing on disruption and escalating pressure on climate action.
An aim is people saying "yes they're absolute ******* but well maybe they have a point", which seems to have happened on this thread a fair bit.
 
TheLodger said:
I do think we should stop pretending, there is no such thing as just stopping oil. It's not possible; almost everything in our life involve oil, including the lives of the protesters. Yes we desperately need a serious think about the future, but just stopping oil isn't going to happen what ever they attack.

Stop attacking and start educating.
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Educate who about what exactly? That there is no alternative to oil? I'm not sure the protesters will believe you.
 
TheLodger said:
I do think we should stop pretending, there is no such thing as just stopping oil. It's not possible; almost everything in our life involve oil, including the lives of the protesters. Yes we desperately need a serious think about the future, but just stopping oil isn't going to happen what ever they attack.

Stop attacking and start educating.
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This is true. But we can certainly massively reduce our use of it. Not using it to fuel vehicles would be a start
 
newusername said:
As the twitter thread says JSO is not focused on winning the public over; they're focusing on disruption and escalating pressure on climate action.
An aim is people saying "yes they're absolute ******* but well maybe they have a point", which seems to have happened on this thread a fair bit.
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But surely they need huge levels of public support to make any real difference?
A few people causing disruption won’t do a thing to change government policy. If they could get huge numbers to join protests then it probably would make a difference but most people wouldn’t dream of joining in with these type of protests
 
TheLodger said:
I do think we should stop pretending, there is no such thing as just stopping oil. It's not possible; almost everything in our life involve oil, including the lives of the protesters. Yes we desperately need a serious think about the future, but just stopping oil isn't going to happen what ever they attack.

Stop attacking and start educating.
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Thing is we are going to have to stop using oil at some point, there's less than 50 years worth of oil left at current consumption levels.

For most of us old gits on here we'll likely be gone by then but for younger people, they will definitely see a world where oil isn't used as there won't be any left.
 
JM14 said:
But surely they need huge levels of public support to make any real difference?
A few people causing disruption won’t do a thing to change government policy. If they could get huge numbers to join protests then it probably would make a difference but most people wouldn’t dream of joining in with these type of protests
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Did you read the whole Twitter thread? To me, it said, people will think Just Stop Oil are waaankers, but the issue will become a priority in peoples minds.

In turn that will make it, eventually, an issue for Government.

When protests are non disruptive the issues are forgotten about.
 
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