Racism.

To be clear, what ate my goat was the generalisation that Brexiteers are racist. To he it's the same as calling all England supporters scum .
 
Littlejimmy said:
Oh God, that B word again. I gave up arguing with and ignored a particular poster years ago because all they do is use logical fallacies and strawman arguments. I've got better things to expend my energy on.
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This really, the guy (I assume his gender for shortness) just ignores any counter arguments picks details from posts to argue over and trolls. What I have never been to work out is whether it is deliberate or just stupidity. FWIW I think it's deliberate and he gets some kind of sad kick out of it. He was the same on the old board. If he is ever shown up he will disappear for days or weeks. But still comes back with the same nonsense. He's going on my ignore list now and I suggest that course of action to anyone of like mind.
 
Adi_Dem said:
I don't agree but that's because when I talk about a 'racist' in the context of the rule of thumb, I'm being very specific and thinking about the monkey chanting, NF card carrying type of folk. As opposed to, as an example, the unconscious bias racist (on that spectrum). Over simplified again because I haven't got time but hopefully you get the point.
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I do, and on that definition it would be very difficult to argue that they didn't vote leave.
 
Andy_W said:
Yeah, I suppose I mean the "more hardcore racist", not someone who may use some outdated terms, but in a way as to not intended to incite hate or discrimination.

I know plenty of old people who come out with some very outdated terms, but they don't have a bad bone in their body (my grandparents were examples of this), but it's a sign of the times. But when I say racist I mean the absolute worst, those who have no excuse, who should know better, and who use more direct and hateful language.
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As I said to Adi, using that definition you are very likely right.
 
Muttley said:
This really, the guy (I assume his gender for shortness) just ignores any counter arguments picks details from posts to argue over and trolls. What I have never been to work out is whether it is deliberate or just stupidity. FWIW I think it's deliberate and he gets some kind of sad kick out of it. He was the same on the old board. If he is ever shown up he will disappear for days or weeks. But still comes back with the same nonsense. He's going on my ignore list now and I suggest that course of action to anyone of like mind.
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He went on mine months ago.
 
I only know a handful of people who voted to leave. All family members, all racists (on the milder end of the scale, admittedly).

Enjoyed reading through this thread (apart from S.A.B twisting words and pretending not to understand the blindingly obvious). Some great points raised and gives hope that the decent folk can prevail and eradicate the bigotry of a large and very vocal minority.
 
Stepper_T said:
I only know a handful of people who voted to leave. All family members, all racists (on the milder end of the scale, admittedly).

Enjoyed reading through this thread (apart from S.A.B twisting words and pretending not to understand the blindingly obvious). Some great points raised and gives hope that the decent folk can prevail and eradicate the bigotry of a large and very vocal minority.

Incidentally great point on the vocal minority, on both sides.

I saw above a comment about voters being uneducated, I have no idea how that has anything to do with voting rights. Again I have a cousin who cannot read. He employs about 30 people and us very successful, but generalisation again.
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What did I twist? For years on here Brexiteers have been equated as Racists. As I stated my family are Brexit' voting, defacto racist. An appalling insult.

Incidentally great point on the vocal minority, on both sides.

I saw above a comment about voters being uneducated, I have no idea how that has anything to do with voting rights. Again I have a cousin who cannot read. He employs about 30 people and us very successful, but generalisation again.

I messed that up.
 
Same_as_before said:
What did I twist? For years on here Brexiteers have been equated as Racists. As I stated my family are Brexit' voting, defacto racist. An appalling insult.
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This is, essentially, a confession that you're hard of thinking. Is that really how you want people to see you? This isn't my insulting you because of a difference of opinion. It has been explained to you in very, very clear terms and yet you continue to attack the strawman that the argument being put forward is that all Brexiteers are racist. Every poster asked has explicitly told you that is definitely not what is being said. Yet you continue to misunderstand.

So are you a bit dim or are you deliberately misunderstanding?
 
Maybe a bit dim, is that a complement?

My argument is about using a generalisation, but as you are not dim you knew that.

Do you still think the referendum should be rerun?
 
Same_as_before said:
What did I twist? For years on here Brexiteers have been equated as Racists. As I stated my family are Brexit' voting, defacto racist. An appalling insult.
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Nope.

For the 1257th time:

Brexit voters are not all racist, not even most, although some will be.

Remainers are extremely unlikely to be racist, far less likely than "brexiteers".

So, as racism definitely exists, in varying degrees of severity, it is fair to assume that most racists are highly likely to be Brexit voters, and far less likely to remain voters.
 
Same_as_before said:
My argument is about using a generalisation, but as you are not dim you knew that.
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No, your argument is that the generalisation being used is that all Brexit voters are racist. It's been explained extremely clearly that such a generalisation isn't being made by anyone. Yet you fail to acknowledge that. Either you don't understand or you're deliberately ignoring it. Which is it?

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Do you still think the referendum should be rerun?
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Whilst it's an irrelevant question I don't mind correcting you. I have never argued that the referendum ought to be re-run. My argument was threefold. Firstly, that it was run and won on the back of serious criminal electoral and data protection breaches. Secondly, that had it been a binding referendum it would have been invalid and the result set aside, as confirmed by the court. Finally, that there wasn't ever a mandate for any particular form of Brexit because there was never any consensus across the 52% that voted in favour of leaving. In that basis I thought it would be a good idea to run a second vote on the sort of Brexit the majority wanted. Instead we have ended up with a hard Brexit that next to nobody wanted, not least because it is a Brexit that was explicitly ruled out by the Vote Leave campaign prior to the vote. Hope that helps.
 
Andy_W said:
Nope.

For the 1257th time:

Brexit voters are not all racist, not even most, although some will be.

Remainers are extremely unlikely to be racist, far less likely than "brexiteers".

So, as racism definitely exists, in varying degrees of severity, it is fair to assume that most racists are highly likely to be Brexit voters, and far less likely to remain voters.
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I agree completely, but that's a long way from the agenda on here for years.

The extremes in every part of life terrify me.
 
Adi_Dem said:
No, your argument is that the generalisation being used is that all Brexit voters are racist. It's been explained extremely clearly that such a generalisation isn't being made by anyone. Yet you fail to acknowledge that. Either you don't understand or you're deliberately ignoring it. Which is it?



Whilst it's an irrelevant question I don't mind correcting you. I have never argued that the referendum ought to be re-run. My argument was threefold. Firstly, that it was run and won on the back of serious criminal electoral and data protection breaches. Secondly, that had it been a binding referendum it would have been invalid and the result set aside, as confirmed by the court. Finally, that there wasn't ever a mandate for any particular form of Brexit because there was never any consensus across the 52% that voted in favour of leaving. In that basis I thought it would be a good idea to run a second vote on the sort of Brexit the majority wanted. Instead we have ended up with a hard Brexit that next to nobody wanted, not least because it is a Brexit that was explicitly ruled out by the Vote Leave campaign prior to the vote. Hope that helps.
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We'll put. I disagree with you but that's life. Why was Racism put in almost every Brexit' thread? Was in necessary?

I doubt anyone cared on a soft or hard Brexit', they wanted the issue bottoming.
 
Same_as_before said:
Why was Racism put in almost every Brexit' thread? Was in necessary?
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Because immigration was the single most influential issue when it came to voting and for the reasons already set out here. All racists are Brexit voters.

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I doubt anyone cared on a soft or hard Brexit', they wanted the issue bottoming.
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If that's true (and I am not saying it isn't) then it makes my points even more valid because it is proof positive that they didn't know what they were voting for. But perhaps more importantly, a second vote would have brought the 48% along instead of cutting them off and creating the divide we now have.
 
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