Sell Rogers 12.5m

BoroMart said:
Exactly, and as he matures, he will make less mistakes, be more of a threat more often
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And if played from his more natural position behind a CF running at people, he will cause even more problems, he is not a CF and did his best as where none of the other players on the pitch, hence why we couldn't really get out!
 
Willow said:
I like Rogers but I don't think he ever saw us as anything other than a stepping stone for his career. And fair enough, why wouldnt he. Would have been nice to see him develop a bit longer but if he wants to go then get as much as we can and move on. Not sure we would buy to replace him anyway with Mcgree and Silvera returning and Gilbert waiting for his chance, plus Azaz coming in. With buying so many young players some are gonna have to be cashed in sooner rather than later.
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I think he saw us as a way to play regularly in his prefered role in a better team than Blackpool. I doubt he thought much further or more cyncially than that. We aren't the team he dreamed of playing for all his life, but I doub he's snooty about us, and he's clealy really enjoyed his time so far, his on field reactions show that.
 
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Interesting figures Boromart
Would it be possible to add Morgan Rogers figures to those above?
Could be an interesting comparison when looking at potential Rogers fees considering the £18.5m valuation on Wharton.
(I get that this might be like comparing apples with pears given the different position he plays)
 
Badonde said:
Interesting figures Boromart
Would it be possible to add Morgan Rogers figures to those above?
Could be an interesting comparison when looking at potential Rogers fees considering the £18.5m valuation on Wharton.
(I get that this might be like comparing apples with pears given the different position he plays)
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data is from last season, so he's a blackpool player, but also he's listed as a forward, so can't compare with CM as different metrics are used. Even with a rubbish team last year, his xA, Offensive actions and passes to the box are really high. In fact even at Blackpool he was in the top 7% of chance creators in the league. I suspect he has gone up from that this year.

His xG I suspect will have improved, maybe to 30-40% still work to do in getting into scoring positions. He's scored a couple of league goals so his NPG will not be as low, again we know he needs more goals.

For me. the lad has such a good frame, and good technique and runs with his head up which is why he is creative. The next development step for me is to beast the gym, and really get himself in elite athlete levels of upper body strength, acceleration and fitness. Ronaldo his body. He isn't weak, but he could give himself 10% more power over the next 6 months. I think he'd be near unstoppable if he does that at champo level.


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Villa journo reporting that Rogers wants to go (think we knew that anyway) and Boro will only entertain bids over £10m. It's a good profit in 6 months, but we'll lose some to City and no doubt cash it in now, or the near future, so will lose a bit more.

Given what some other Championship players are going for, and what's being turned down (Wharton at Blackburn) we'd be daft to let him go now.

He doesn't seem the type to down tools, but its going to leave a gaping hole and we'd have a week to find an adequate replacement, with clubs knowing we have money to spend and are desperate.
 
Still don't think we should even entertain selling him in this window for anything other than daft money. We're already struggling for numbers in our matchday squads as it is without losing someone else, he's also been getting better and better for us, and more effective even when he has an otherwise quiet game. And crucially I don't think we could use the money effectively in this window either.
 
Jonathan said:
Still don't think we should even entertain selling him in this window for anything other than daft money. We're already struggling for numbers in our matchday squads as it is without losing someone else, he's also been getting better and better for us, and more effective even when he has an otherwise quiet game. And crucially I don't think we could use the money effectively in this window either.
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Exactly this. It's not like we'll never sell him for big money. There's no rush and reports are (and this is backed up by him continuing to be selected and play well) he won't kick up a fuss if it doesn't happen.

Those happy to sell, I suspect in the main, are those who never really rated him anyway.

If you do rate him it makes little sense to sell him now, other than as you say, for stupid money.
 
Unfortunately I think we'll sell. Probably at £8-10m.
The reality is the Club lost over £6m last year and that included £22m from player sales incoming.
It's getting harder and harder to thrive in the Championship without parachutes.

When you think we would have lost £28m without selling players last year :oops:
We all know a Club is only allowed a max £39m over a 3-yr period under FFP limits.

The good news is that we seem to be moving forward with a positive recruitment strategy.
I think/hope Gibbos ambition still burns brightly and any funds generated will be put to good use.

I know such 'ambition' could be questioned if we sell Rogers but I think the cash will be reinvested and the squad will end up stronger for it in the long-term.

We will be one of the few Championship Clubs with FFP spending headroom in the next few seasons
(Apart from the Clubs with parachute cash :mad:)
 
Badonde said:
Unfortunately I think we'll sell. Probably at £8-10m.
The reality is the Club lost over £6m last year and that included £22m from player sales incoming.
It's getting harder and harder to thrive in the Championship without parachutes.

When you think we would have lost £28m without selling players last year :oops:
We all know a Club is only allowed a max £39m over a 3-yr period under FFP limits.

The good news is that we seem to be moving forward with a positive recruitment strategy.
I think/hope Gibbos ambition still burns brightly and any funds generated will be put to good use.

I know such 'ambition' could be questioned if we sell Rogers but I think the cash will be reinvested and the squad will end up stronger for it in the long-term.

We will be one of the few Championship Clubs with FFP spending headroom in the next few seasons
(Apart from the Clubs with parachute cash :mad:)
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Selling him cheaply doesn't make sense though from a FFP/PSR perspective does it? It would only make sense to sell him for 8-10 mill if we were having a fire sale.

We will get more in the summer when we have more chance to spend it wisely.

Clubs have to overpay for players in Jan. If villa want him they have to overpay. That probably would be minimum 15mill but could well be more if they have got SG's back up with how they have leaked it.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Selling him cheaply doesn't make sense though from a FFP/PSR perspective does it? It would only make sense to sell him for 8-10 mill if we were having a fire sale.

We will get more in the summer when we have more chance to spend it wisely.

Clubs have to overpay for players in Jan. If villa want him they have to overpay. That probably would be minimum 15mill but could well be more if they have got SG's back up with how they have leaked it.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

I don't dispute that the model is to buy young and cheap and sell at a profit, but so many people think that means we have to cash in at the first opportunity. I am very confident we'll get a bigger fee for Rogers in the summer, so why not keep him and benefit from his performances on the pitch until then, before banking a much bigger profit (potentially £100m+ profit if we got promoted!).
 
Badonde said:
When you think we would have lost £28m without selling players last year :oops:
We all know a Club is only allowed a max £39m over a 3-yr period under FFP limits.
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I believe last years loss was well below the one it replaces in the three year rolling window. We're actually ok with our FFP headroom, this is the first year that we don't have Britt and Fletcher in the FFP calculation in the 7 years since we bought them. Britt had 3.75m in transfer fee and another 1.5m in wages on our last 3-year FFP calculation. We're 5.25m better off against FFP with him gone. Another 2.5m on Fletcher. Our FFP will be fine this season. Probably need to sell to heavily invest, but it is what it is.

I wouldn't be surprised if he goes, but we have to play hardball. If we can get any Villa players in, in exchange, then we might reduce the profit we have to give to Man City. Hause has been mentioned, then maybe Lomare Bogard 8m plus those two, and we'd have done well. After paying 1.4m to Man City, we'd still have plenty for a new CF
 
Was just about to post about Adam Wharton but others have beaten me to it.

If Blackburn are turning down £18.5m (initial bid) for Wharton, then why the ££££ are we even considering accepting £10-12m? We are in a position of strength. Anyone buying now is desperate.
 
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