Wiseman_Vaughn
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I might be wrong but the poll tax demo and riot was a popular reaction to a very unpopular policy. Last night was a riot caused by an opportunist rent-a-mob!
Shocking scenes in Bristol tonight
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newusername
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Best description of the Police I've heard in years.
BoroFur
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The police don't need greater powers to close down violent disturbances like last night.
Those powers already exist but you know that.
You want the Police to have the powers to move on single protesters with a placard because they are noisy, annoying and you don't agree with their sentiments.
A bit like the 'Stop Brexit' bloke.
But let's imagine for a minute he wasn't bellowing 'Stop Brexit'.
What if he was bellowing 'Stop corruption' or 'Stop rape' or 'Stop paedophilia' or 'Stop HS2'.
Are you still happy that PC Plod has the power to arrest him and for a judge to convict him?
FatCat
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This exactly this
As I said on the thread about the bill itself they will slowly take your rights away while we all bicker & argue amongst ourselves classic divide & rule.
This thread proves exactly that.
I will always call out violence especially towards the police & other public services people need to realise the police are ordered to do go in the officers themselves don't get a choice regardless of how they feel about it.
It all seems to be commonplace now & as viv_andersons_nana pointed out the trouble starts when the police are ready for it & the cameras are there.
For some time now I have started to believe the trouble is started deliberately but not by the people protesting but by either anyone who is opposed to what your protesting about IE BLM I believe the trouble was started by right wingers people & the authorities including government know as soon as any violence starts the message is lost people will dismiss the whole thing as thuggery.
Yes he was annoying as hell by anyone’s standards! You couldn’t watch the news in peace without that moron creating his noise.
Erimus74
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Or once the police turn up the protest 'hyjackers' then started the riot
A lad on the news who was at the peaceful protest said the very thing
Jonny Ingbar
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Every report I've read, listened to or watched described the violence being started by the protestors and even if it didn't simple common sense tells you that this is overwhelmingly likely to be the case.
You're conflating the issues of the reason for the protest and the use of violence by many protestors. The actions of those that used violence should be condemned by everyone - that doesn't in any way diminish your right to oppose the new legislation.
I cant help but be drawn to the fact this protest was badged "kill the bill" with its patently obvious connotations associated with a film which very deliberately celebrates violence. Sort of detracts from the notion that it was ever going to be a peaceful and non-violent protest does it not? Its not a huge leap of imagination to reach that conclusion, though I'm sure my theory will be dismissed by some
"The actions of those that used violence should be condemned by everyone - that doesn't in any way diminish your right to oppose the new legislation."
I agree, including the police
Jonny Ingbar
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Not by me, I think you're absolutely correct.
Jonny Ingbar
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Seriously? What would you suggest the police did to try and contain the violent mob?
r00fie1
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No, the police car with expired MOT isn’t evidence of ‘false flag’ – but video raises concerns that police initiated violence
Police cars are exempt from MOT testing under rules relating to maintenance in approved workshop – but video footage raises different questions Since the shocking scenes in Bristol last night…
skwawkbox.org
No, the police car with expired MOT isn’t evidence of ‘false flag’ – but video raises concerns that police initiated violence
Police cars are exempt from MOT testing under rules relating to maintenance in approved workshop – but video footage raises different questions Since the shocking scenes in Bristol last night…
skwawkbox.org
No, the police car with expired MOT isn’t evidence of ‘false flag’ – but video raises concerns that police initiated violence
Police cars are exempt from MOT testing under rules relating to maintenance in approved workshop – but video footage raises different questions
Since the shocking scenes in Bristol last night, those worried about the possibility of ‘provocateur’ action by the state to justify the Tories’ new law imposing heavy penalties on peaceful protesters have raised concerns about a police car that was seen in flames, claiming that its expired MOT status on the DVLA website means it was an old vehicle burned for propaganda purposes:
But police cars are exempt from MOT testing and certification, because they are maintained in approved workshops. Regulation 6 (1) (xiv) of The Motor Vehicles (Tests) Regulations 1981 exempts:
Nonetheless, claims that police initiated violence on peaceful protesters – including groups sitting peacefully outside the police station attacked later in the evening – do appear to be at least potentially borne out by video evidence, as in this example published by Unity News, and need to be properly investigated:
[see site for video]
The Establishment media and right-wing politicians are, of course, using events in Bristol last night to justify the Tories’ planned new laws against peaceful protest. But after the scenes of unprovoked police aggression against women carrying out a peaceful vigil at Clapham Common two weekends ago, such Establishment narratives should be treated with considerable caution until the Bristol incident is thoroughly and independently investigated.
After all, it’s only just over a year ago that the police subjected a group of around twenty 1950s-born ‘WASPI’ women, who were peacefully picketing the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) offices in London in protest at the theft of their pensions, to heavy-handed ‘kettling’ by several vans full of officers:
But in 2009, the then-LibDem MP and Home Affairs Committee member Tom Brake accused the Met of using undercover officers to incite violence during G20 protests, after seeing plainclothes officers showing ID cards and being waved through a police cordon, who then threw bottles at the police.
And similar footage has emerged from yesterday in Bristol of a man conversing with a smiling, riot-geared police officer who then points him to the front of a group of protesters just before trouble starts. The video is of the same events shown in the video above – but filmed from the other side of the line:
[see site for video]
How many riot police smile and wave a protester through to a line where other riot police are holding back protesters?
There are serious questions to answer – but they don’t involve MOT certificates.
Jonny- you talked about condemnation of violence. If the violent mob commit violence then they should be condemned. If the police commit violence they should ALSO be condemned. It is not unknown for the police to provoke the violent mob by attacking them. There are suggestions that this could be the case in Bristol. This should be investigated and if found to be true then it should be condemned.
HolgateCorner
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What a mess we are as a country, it’s a shambles.
No, the police car with expired MOT isn’t evidence of ‘false flag’ – but video raises concerns that police initiated violence
Police cars are exempt from MOT testing under rules relating to maintenance in approved workshop – but video footage raises different questions Since the shocking scenes in Bristol last night…No, the police car with expired MOT isn’t evidence of ‘false flag’ – but video raises concerns that police initiated violence
Police cars are exempt from MOT testing under rules relating to maintenance in approved workshop – but video footage raises different questions
Since the shocking scenes in Bristol last night, those worried about the possibility of ‘provocateur’ action by the state to justify the Tories’ new law imposing heavy penalties on peaceful protesters have raised concerns about a police car that was seen in flames, claiming that its expired MOT status on the DVLA website means it was an old vehicle burned for propaganda purposes:
But police cars are exempt from MOT testing and certification, because they are maintained in approved workshops. Regulation 6 (1) (xiv) of The Motor Vehicles (Tests) Regulations 1981 exempts:
Nonetheless, claims that police initiated violence on peaceful protesters – including groups sitting peacefully outside the police station attacked later in the evening – do appear to be at least potentially borne out by video evidence, as in this example published by Unity News, and need to be properly investigated:
[see site for video]
The Establishment media and right-wing politicians are, of course, using events in Bristol last night to justify the Tories’ planned new laws against peaceful protest. But after the scenes of unprovoked police aggression against women carrying out a peaceful vigil at Clapham Common two weekends ago, such Establishment narratives should be treated with considerable caution until the Bristol incident is thoroughly and independently investigated.
After all, it’s only just over a year ago that the police subjected a group of around twenty 1950s-born ‘WASPI’ women, who were peacefully picketing the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) offices in London in protest at the theft of their pensions, to heavy-handed ‘kettling’ by several vans full of officers:
But in 2009, the then-LibDem MP and Home Affairs Committee member Tom Brake accused the Met of using undercover officers to incite violence during G20 protests, after seeing plainclothes officers showing ID cards and being waved through a police cordon, who then threw bottles at the police.
And similar footage has emerged from yesterday in Bristol of a man conversing with a smiling, riot-geared police officer who then points him to the front of a group of protesters just before trouble starts. The video is of the same events shown in the video above – but filmed from the other side of the line:
[see site for video]
How many riot police smile and wave a protester through to a line where other riot police are holding back protesters?
There are serious questions to answer – but they don’t involve MOT certificates.
HolgateCorner
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Thanks for posting, it’s noticeable how much has been kept off the television news.
Watch: How the Police and Crime Bill riot in Bristol unfolded - The Bristol Cable
Bristol is reeling after some of the most serious clashes between protestors and police seen in Britain for years.thebristolcable.org
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An on the ground view of how the events unfolded:
Jonny Ingbar
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I think the pivotal difference is that the police can use force within the law, the riotors can't.
Always exceptions of course, but fundamentally that's always the case.
Fair enough- in my opinion-ALL uses of force/violence should be investigated and proper blame be apportioned.
deganya
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Well, you got something right, the first four words of your reply........ "I might be wrong".
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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That's what they said back then too.