So Fury/Joshua 14th August confirmed

I’d be happy to have a bet for charity that Fury beats Joshua if anyone interested?
 
Andy_W said:
It's funny, that wasn't even one ounce of my consideration in any of the previous posts, obviously plays a part in some peoples eyes though, no idea why its even relevant?
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Because I read yours and some other's posts and I wonder whether you have gotten caught up in the Sky media hype. Overrating AJ's opponents many of who are Hearn fighters and down playing anything that Fury and Wilder have achieved.

And then coming out with things like Wilder is scared, its almost like its copied and pasted from an Eddie Hearn interview.
 
Ratedr69 said:
Or people are so biased against Eddie Hearns fighters ?
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Not really, I think AJ and Fury are great. I think Wilder is still a very dangerous fighter.

Below them you've the second tier of people like Ruiz, Whyte, Parker etc.

Thats giving a balanced view of Hearn and non Hearn fighters. I'm not writing off AJs opponents, calling anyone a bum, or calling any professional fighter scared.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Because I read yours and some other's posts and I wonder whether you have gotten caught up in the Sky media hype. Overrating AJ's opponents many of who are Hearn fighters and down playing anything that Fury and Wilder have achieved.

And then coming out with things like Wilder is scared, its almost like its copied and pasted from an Eddie Hearn interview.
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Not at all, I pay zero attention to the promoters and had to actually look up who's Fury and Wilders were, basically as I had forgot/ not been interested in that at all. I didn't even realise Whyte was Hearn, as is Parker and Usyk. Not fussed/ don't care.

Hearn is going to be more well known though as AJ's had more fights and more title fights etc.

You don't have to be scared of someone to dodge them, but you can be scared your pay packets will dry up, either way you're scared of something, everyone is.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Not really, I think AJ and Fury are great. I think Wilder is still a very dangerous fighter.

Below them you've the second tier of people like Ruiz, Whyte, Parker etc.

Thats giving a balanced view of Hearn and non Hearn fighters. I'm not writing off AJs opponents, calling anyone a bum, or calling any professional fighter scared.
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You've just called them "second tier", and listed them separately behind AJ, Fury and Wilder?

That last one hasn't beat anyone good, he doesn't deserve to be labelled in the same category as AJ and Fury.

If they're second tier, so is Wilder, and at least the others fight each other/ other top 10's.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Joshua's record is better on paper because he's beaten more fighters from the second tier, people like Parker, Whyte etc. However if you are evaluating a fight then surely you've got to look at how AJ and Fury have looked against the absolute elite. Forget how poor Fury looks against poor fighters because he raises his game when he's fighting someone dangerous.
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You can't class yourself as elite unless you've beaten someone elite. Wilder has beaten no one he isn't and never was elite. Fury and AJ have both beaten Klitschko
 
Uwefuchs said:
Wilder was ranked above everyone mentioned on this thread apart from AJ and Fury before the Fury second fight... and that was with everyone's knowledge about his limitations.
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that tells you more about the ranking systems than anything else. How on earth you can be ranked so high having fought no one is beyond me. You can add Usyk into that, two unconvincing fights at heavy and he's suddenly number one contender??
 
Uwefuchs said:
Obviously the Joshua fight is the big one but I think both fighters and promoters on both sides were at fault for that. Even AJ has admitted as such.
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Wilder is at fault, he chose the easier fight against Fury, it's on record him saying he turned down more money from AJ to fight a half fit Fury. It's Wilder that ducked, no one else.
 
BoroMart said:
Yes, it is, Wilder has zero record at all, he's beaten no one of note ever. He hasn't beaten a former world champ with a defence, he has boxed 2 top 10 ranked fighters Ortiz and Fury, a total of 18 rounds completed against Fury and 15 against Ortiz and he objectively lost 75%+ of those rounds.

Wilder is a bum, Whyte is a much better boxer and Wilder has dodged hi for about 3 years.
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Remind me who Whyte had beat when AJ beat him? That list you made is properly laughable.

I try not to get too involved in Boxing on here anymore because it has me in bits :ROFLMAO:
 
I'm actually in tears at that list, Wilder is a bum because "he never beat anyone" but Andy Ruiz Jr is the 3rd hardest fight despite beating who? Alexander Dimitrenko? The ghost of Kevin Johnson?

You can't go off record and then decide you want to go off ability when it suits. Wilder is the 3rd hardest fight on the list or he should be anyway, Fury vs Klitschko being 1st and AJ beating Klitschko being 2nd.
 
Alzi said:
No idea it’s just for charity. Loser gives £25 to charity of winners choosing.
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Haha, my point has always been the odds are likely unreasonably in Fury's favour, which you've done exactly that just there, by basically trying to give an evens bet when Joshua's odds are around 2.5 with the bookies, and Fury's are 1.5.

The Fury backer should basically have to pay the AJ charity about 2.5 times what their charity would get, for it to be "fair" according to how the market sees it.
I think it could work out costing you £40 to pay out the AJ win and cost me £15 to pay out a Fury win, that's my point, it's not fair.
 
Chappy112 said:
I'm actually in tears at that list, Wilder is a bum because "he never beat anyone" but Andy Ruiz Jr is the 3rd hardest fight despite beating who? Alexander Dimitrenko? The ghost of Kevin Johnson?

You can't go off record and then decide you want to go off ability when it suits. Wilder is the 3rd hardest fight on the list or he should be anyway, Fury vs Klitschko being 1st and AJ beating Klitschko being 2nd.
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like I said, mate you might be able to argue either way with a few of them, but the gist is correct.

Ruiz by the way, only ever been on his butt once and got up and won. He's a far tougher nut than the spaghetti legged windmiller who claims he was beaten by a sci-fi cos-play outfit
 
BoroMart said:
like I said, mate you might be able to argue either way with a few of them, but the gist is correct.

Ruiz by the way, only ever been on his butt once and got up and won. He's a far tougher nut than the spaghetti legged windmiller who claims he was beaten by a sci-fi cos-play outfit
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Tougher yes, more difficult fight? No, not at all.

Wilder is an absolute idiot, he's terrible technically but he has ridiculous power that changes any fight if he can find a way to land it, he's still the 3rd best heavyweight on the planet until proven otherwise as far as I'm concerned. I would never ever rule he out of any fight, even if he fought Fury a 3rd time, I would never say that he couldn't win the fight, his power is freakish. AJ proved in the 2nd fight that Ruiz is very, very easy to beat if you have the right gameplan and don't try to trade on the inside with a fast puncher with shorter punches who will always get there before you do.

If I had to give percentages on the 3 fighting each other I'd probably go like this.

Fury 90/10 Wilder
Fury 70/30 AJ
AJ 60/40 Wilder

I used to think that Wilder would beat AJ and I'd still give him a good chance because AJ is a lot easier to hit than Fury but you'd have to favour AJ after Fury managed to walk Wilder down and beat him up.
 
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