Tees Valley to lose £13million due to Brexit

I wish Smalltown would stop making these threads.

To be honest, I don't think it matters anymore Trug. The damage has been down and, through countless fact free/lie filled arguments on here, we know that the brexiter simply doesn't care about the money lost, or the jobs, or the freedoms. They just need to be seen to have "won" Despite the obvious and massive damage it's doing to the country.

It's such a depressing situation to be in.
 
This isn't a Brexit issue, it is a Tory issue. Brexit isn't stopping us from spending the money, the government are choosing not to. Soon as we kick them out then whoever comes next is free to spend as much as they want.
 
Nano said:
This isn't a Brexit issue, it is a Tory issue. Brexit isn't stopping us from spending the money, the government are choosing not to. Soon as we kick them out then whoever comes next is free to spend as much as they want.
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They won't though. So yes, it is exactly a brexit issue. If brexit hadn't have happened we wouldn't have lost all that money. Regardless of who is in power.

I guess this is back to why I'm so depressed about the brexit issue. People need to deflect form it, lie about it, and basically blame anything other than it for the damage it's causing. I'm sorry @Nano but you're exactly the type of person that is damaging this country.

Failing to acknowledge the clear and obvious failures of brexit gives those in charge no motivation to fix them. I honestly find it so sad that people will do this just to say they have "won". At what cost? Because I've got news for you, you haven't "won" anything. We have all lost.

We are on a sinking ship, yet some people reckon we need a new captain, or it's the wrong type of wood, or it's the fault of that other ship over there with the blue flag with the stars on that we are sinking. Yet they can't acknowledge the hole that has been smashed into the hull. Until you do that, and we can make steps to plug the hole, the ship will still sink, regardless of what you blame for the sinking.
 
SmallTown said:
I guess this is back to why I'm so depressed about the brexit issue. People need to deflect form it, lie about it, and basically blame anything other than it for the damage it's causing. I'm sorry @Nano but you're exactly the type of person that is damaging this country.
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Haha. Only one of us voted Tory.

Vote for someone else next time and stop blaming others for your own bad decisions.

Brexit isn't the problem here. The government you elected is the problem. I'd like to think that the party I voted for and will vote for at the next election will right these wrongs.
 
Nano said:
Haha. Only one of us voted Tory.

Vote for someone else next time and stop blaming others for your own bad decisions.

Brexit isn't the problem here. The government you elected is the problem. I'd like to think that the party I voted for and will vote for at the next election will right these wrongs.
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Brexit 100% is the problem here.

I don't know how simply I can spell it out to you. If it wasn't for brexit this wouldn't have happened. Regardless of the government.
It genuinely is depressing that people like you will defend and deflect from it at all costs. We simply can't fix the problems it is causing with refuseniks like you making everypossible excuse to ignore it. Its actually shameful that you'll sacrifice your country, allow it to fail, just to claim you have "won"
 
SmallTown said:
Brexit 100% is the problem here.

I don't know how simply I can spell it out to you. If it wasn't for brexit this wouldn't have happened. Regardless of the government.
It genuinely is depressing that people like you will defend and deflect from it at all costs. We simply can't fix the problems it is causing with refuseniks like you making everypossible excuse to ignore it. Its actually shameful that you'll sacrifice your country, allow it to fail, just to claim you have "won"
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But you couldn't be more wrong. Remember how immigration impacting on public services isn't an immigration problem, it is a government funding problem? This is the same. There are lots of things that we can/can't do because of Brexit but choosing where to spend our money internally isn't one of them. This money could have been spent while we were in the EU, it could be increased now tenfold if the government wanted to. However, because some idiots were "tricked" into voting for the Tories to give them a massive majority they can make any decision they want. This is 100% a Tory decision. Brexit is stopping nothing.

Stop blaming others and accept responsibility. The Tories are there to make these decisions because people like you voted for them. We've had 2 elections since the referendum so I assume you've had 2 opportunities to not vote for them but failed both times. This is a Leopardsatemyface problem that you refuse to acknowledge. You knew what they were like. There is no surprise here from the rest of us.
 
How could I not be more wrong? This loss is directly from an EU payment.

If yiu want to deflect from brexit, then yiu are the problem and it's your fault the country is failing. I have no time for this constant deflection. Not nw, not when you can all see the damage it has done. It frankly disgusts me you'd stopped this low
 
The referendum was held one year into a four year term of a Tory government.

If you voted for brexit, you were also effectively voting for the Tories to implement it.

One of the many many reasons I voted remain was because I didn't trust the Tories an iota. Many of them (including several in the current cabinet) were very vocal about wanting to erode workers rights. They found it frustrating that the EU required members to uphold a minimum standards for workers and goods etc. It was blindingly obvious they were drooling at the thought of being given free reign on that. The argument that the EU was preventing them from increasing standards was transparent nonsense but the sheep fell for it.

As was the claim leaving the EU would mean we would increase investment in the regions. The conservatives are the party of the small state, it was always going to be the case they wouldn't match EU investment. They "could" but they were never likely to. Goes against everything they believe in. The only public spending they like is that which ends up in their bank accounts.

If you were anti Tory and voted brexit you made a big mistake, you were conned. You were giving them 3 years for them to remove a lot of the protections the EU forced them to maintain. And with absolutely no guarantee labour would get in after that either.

So of course it's a brexit issue. It's a Tory issue too but you had to have been incredibly naive to have expected them to do anything differently given the chance.
 
I wasn't conned, I knew what I was voting for, it was a 50 50 choice to me. Explain to me how a government cannot even choose where to have its parliament. Is Strasbourg just a bit of fun for their holidays. I went to Brussels quite often they work a five day week. I went on a Friday to be laughed at by security to be told no one works on a Friday they go to the pub.

The countries that make up the block are too diverse, would you join an army with Hungary?

Today where I work there are the same amount of East Europeans as before Brexit, no change there. However there are a far greater number from both the African and Indian sub continent, maybe you want to send them home, I don't.

My 12 years in Spain taught me one thing, EC or is it EU? Rules are arbitrary. As for workers rights you are having a laugh.
 
I can see there is Ignored Content for me in this thread, so I can guess said poster is saying its Brexit that caused this. The Tories have been threatening to cut off funds to regions that didn't have a Tory councillor, now they have those councillors, they are mugging off those constituencies anyway. Not sure why this is news.

They absolutely could continue to fund this, we are not short of money. They magically found £37bn for a failed Track & Trace system. We lost the money because we left the EU, thats not an especially hard concept to grasp. The Tories are trying to make it look like the EU are cutting us off, when we could absolutely fund this ourselves. You don't cancel a gym membership and continue to use the equipment.

Its disingenuous to claim Brexit is 100% at fault for this.
 
SmallTown said:
How could I not be more wrong? This loss is directly from an EU payment.

If yiu want to deflect from brexit, then yiu are the problem and it's your fault the country is failing. I have no time for this constant deflection. Not nw, not when you can all see the damage it has done. It frankly disgusts me you'd stopped this low
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You are the one deflecting. The loss is not directly from an EU payment. The EU decided where that money was spent. It was part of our payment to the EU. We still have the same amount of money to spend but the government you elected are deciding not to spend it. Tories don't spend money on things they don't want to spend money on, you are happy with that, you voted for them, they are doing it. If you aren't happy, vote for someone else.
 
Levelling up is what is required. I prefer to call it having a more socially and geographically balanced economy.

There could easily be an election in 2023 and if not there has to be one in 2024. People will want to see signs of levelling up by the next election. There are only limited signs of levelling up, but lots of promises and plans. Sunak had a big opportunity in his last budget and there was nothing for the poorer regions that I am aware of. For example what's happening about the reform of Council Tax and Business rates, why freeze income tax allowances for people on the living wage or below?

Ref Brexit - Its been said a hundred times before areas like Teesside for one reason or another never seemed to benefit as much as they should have under the EU/EEC and some radical reform was desperately required. It is hard to assess how much was lack of interest and investment from Central governments or from the EU/EEC. By 2016, Teesside had became a relatively poor region of Europe.
 
Nano said:
You are the one deflecting. The loss is not directly from an EU payment. The EU decided where that money was spent. It was part of our payment to the EU. We still have the same amount of money to spend but the government you elected are deciding not to spend it. Tories don't spend money on things they don't want to spend money on, you are happy with that, you voted for them, they are doing it. If you aren't happy, vote for someone else.
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How am I deflecting: This is a thread about yet another failure of Brexit. This embarrasses you because you know you voted for this failure. Yet, for whatever reason you can't admit it. So it's easier for you to blame others and their actions.

As I said, you are exactly the type of person to blame for the current situation. Out of pride, stubbornness or flat out idiocy you can't admit you were conned. It is utterly depressing that people with your attitude exist and are ruining our country.

That's fine. If you're to embarrassed to admit you were conned. That's on you, and people are. They like to think themselves to smart for that. But you were conned. Just as you can try and pretend you weren't, I have every right to point out you were. Sorry it upsets you but it's a cold hard fact. And when the cost of living crisis hits, know this, you're to blame.
 
Redwurzel said:
Ref Brexit - Its been said a hundred times before areas like Teesside for one reason or another never seemed to benefit as much as they should have under the EU/EEC and some radical reform was desperately required. It is hard to assess how much was lack of interest and investment from Central governments or from the EU/EEC. By 2016, Teesside had became a relatively poor region of Europe.
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So how is spending less then the EU was on the region going to help?
 
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