Tees Valley to lose £13million due to Brexit

[Redwurzel]

Anyone - How much EU money was spent on the Tees Valley, say in 2016? (that we are aware of)

I pick 2016, because that would have been the last year of full funding?

I am trying to establish the economic impact of EU funded investment on the Teesside region.

Its interesting that UK Governments directed ESIF funding I was totally unaware of this I assumed the EU decided what projects should get what money. I suspect 99% of the population was and possibly still is.

I have helped gained EU funding in the past and helped spend it too on educational programmes and they were not controlled by the UK Government to my knowledge. I assumed other aspects of EU funding were the same.

ST - why are you so verbally aggressive? and jump to all sorts of negative assumptions and stereotypes about people?

 

[BaronSmoggie]

I love the way people blame small town and others for voting in a Tory government like they are in the minority and somehow fiddled the result. Tory voters were definitely in the majority(of those who voted) That's why they are in power.
The ones saying they were conned and are idiots are the minority.

No, he has an entrenched position and is rude to people because of it. He doesn't like it when people offer reasoned arguments in response to things like this which are not entirely Brexit based and will belittle those responses.

I have him on ignore so I have no idea how he is responding on this thread, but I'm betting it follows a similar pattern.

 

[SmallTown]

No, he has an entrenched position and is rude to people because of it. He doesn't like it when people offer reasoned arguments in response to things like this which are not entirely Brexit based and will belittle those reponses.

I have him on ignore so I have no idea how he is responding on this thread, but I'm betting it follows a similar pattern.

I'm BEGGING for people to provide a reasoned argument. I would love to be able to debate this. The lies, deflection and insults I get back help prove me correct.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

The defecit to Teesside is a government decision. They're calling the shots on where the 'money saved' by leaving the EU is spent, and they've decided not to help this area out, despite its obvious problems.

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

You quoted 0.01% as irrelevant, fewer young people from the UK want to work permantly in Spain. Incidentally I was never a permanent resident I worked there roughly 3 months a year.

I enjoy my playtime with Little Tory, you enjoy yourself spouting nonsense.

We have Parish Councils, Local Councils, Regional Councils, the government, too numerous quangos, I see no need for Brussels. Go there and have a look.

I have a similar outlook on the courts system, ours works as well as can be expected if it was funded correctly, I have no idea why you think a Hungarian judge is any better.

Why is the town I live in so deprived if the EC/EU has been so wonderful for over 40 years?

The child poverty rate in Seville is over 50%, another thing for remain to be proud of.

Farms are now industrial size and owned by a very rich few, the same for fishing, I think it's wrong to further enrich them, but you seem to be happy too. Not very Socialist but hey ho.

You just don't do facts and seem unable to accept that most decisions were still made at a national level even in the EU. We both know that the UK problems are mainly down to the Tories.

Child poverty has fallen in the EU over the last 2 years. I'm sure you know why. It's because we left. Our rate of child poverty is around 50% higher than the EU average now. Pick out Seville if you must but Spain has similar child poverty rates to the UK. Andalucia is a poorer area of the country away from the larger cities so it's not surprising that it suffers similarly to Teesside. Its not over 50% though.

Post Brexit, the population of UK immigrants in Spain went up; it's back over 310,000 residents and we won't know whether it would have been further increased as you helped stop free movement.

I don't hate fishermen and farmers like you obviously do, but that's fair enough (I think I'm getting the hang of this now).

I apologise for saying how much I like Hungarian judges, you barmpot.

 

[SmallTown]

You just don't do facts and seem unable to accept that most decisions were still made at a national level even in the EU. We both know that the UK problems are mainly down to the Tories.

Child poverty has fallen in the EU over the last 2 years. I'm sure you know why. It's because we left. Our rate of child poverty is around 50% higher than the EU average now. Pick out Seville if you must but Spain has similar child poverty rates to the UK. Andalucia is a poorer area of the country away from the larger cities so it's not surprising that it suffers similarly to Teesside. Its not over 50% though.

Post Brexit, the population of UK immigrants in Spain went up; it's back over 310,000 residents and we won't know whether it would have been further increased as you helped stop free movement.

I don't hate fishermen and farmers like you obviously do, but that's fair enough (I think I'm getting the hang of this now).

I apologise for saying how much I like Hungarian judges, you barmpot.

I honestly think someone has broken same as.

His anti (EC) EU tirades usually boil down to "Seville is poor". Which I find staggering. The boy isn't quite right in the head.

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

Anyone - How much EU money was spent on the Tees Valley, say in 2016? (that we are aware of)

I pick 2016, because that would have been the last year of full funding?

No, the funding was in place for 2014 to 2020. It wasn't affected by Brexit in that sense. It pays for programmes running up until 2023.

 

[Way_Out_West]

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

In terms of Tees Valley funding it was £46 million per year for the last full period. This has been increased to £21 million.

 

[Redwurzel]

There must be a tremendous opportunity for the Labour Party to focus on economic regeneration of the regions, especially when the Conservatives are not providing the funds to do this. (as stated by the Independent)

Reforming Council tax could easily provide £300 per household on Teesside multipled by 150,000? households that's a lot of money. I make that £45m!

 

[Trug]

In terms of Tees Valley funding it was £46 million per year for the last full period. This has been increased to £21 million.

Do you mean "decreased" to £21million?

 

[Redwurzel]

In terms of Tees Valley funding it was £46 million per year for the last full period. This has been increased to £21 million.

£46m to £21m - do you mean decreased?

The £21m - is this UK Government money replacing former EU money?

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

£46m to £21m - do you mean decreased?

The £21m - is this UK Government money replacing former EU money?

It was me paraphrasing the likes of Houchen who are treating it as an increase in funding.

Yes, it's UK replacing EU money. They're selling it as such by saying that it complements the currently ongoing programmes and that it will be much increased, although funnily enough not until after the likely next election date.

 

[Trug]

It was me paraphrasing the likes of Houchen who are treating it as an increase in funding.

Yes, it's UK replacing EU money. They're selling it as such by saying that it complements the currently ongoing programmes and that it will be much increased, although funnily enough not until after the likely next election date.

Ah, I understand now- Can't really expect anything more from the Tories.

 

[Redwurzel]

I am not attacking the EU its more criticism of big governments- but just looked up total EU spending - its 148 billion euros divide that by 350m (EU citizens?) thats around 422 euros per citizen if my maths is correct.

If we said the Tees Valley was 500,000 people multiplied by 422 = 210m euros for the Tees Valley, if the Tees Valley was an average area of the EU. That about £175m. The Tees valley is no longer average for the EU its now below average. It shows how much the region is getting short changed effectively getting £21m but should be getting around £175m. That would make a massive difference.

 

[Redwurzel]

Currently I don't trust Labour to create more equality as much as I should, too many vested interested in the status quo as we saw in the Blair years. Still they should be doing more to rebalance the difference between the £21m and the £175m figures and be fair to Teesside.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Brexit 100% is the problem here.

I don't know how simply I can spell it out to you. If it wasn't for brexit this wouldn't have happened. Regardless of the government.
It genuinely is depressing that people like you will defend and deflect from it at all costs. We simply can't fix the problems it is causing with refuseniks like you making everypossible excuse to ignore it. Its actually shameful that you'll sacrifice your country, allow it to fail, just to claim you have "won"

Small town
Keep going fella
I’m a massive supporter of you and you shining a light on the money draining away from us loyal citizens as a result of the Tory Brexit fcuking mess which makes our country massively poorer yet thieves like Raab truss et al deny it

 

[Nano]

You're embarrassing yourself now. It's like a puerile schoolyard argument. I accuse you of deflection and your only defence is to say: "No, YOU'RE deflecting" It's like speaking to a stroppy teenager taking an accusation and just saying the same things back. I don't think anyone over the age of 14 has ever used that debating "technique" on me! I wish you could converse like an adult. I guess if you had to have a grown up conversation though you'd have to acknowledge you had been conned and we've already established you're too weak to admit that.

You can lie about it being just a Tory thing all you like, lying is the standard Brexit response after all, but nothing can take away from the fact that the EU gave the region social fund grants and they have been taken away. That's Brexit. I know you can't admit it but it's a clear to a solid fact as you can get.

Look I'm sorry you were fooled all those years ago. I'm sorry you made the mistake but you really need to come to terms with it, for yourself and for the country.

I'm using that "technique" because you are being ignorant of the facts. Your entire argument is childlike. You are operating classic Tory distraction techniques to mask your own issues.

Let's break it down:

1. Has Brexit prevented us spending the exact same amount on the region that was previously spent by the EU?
2. Have the Tories decided not to spend the exact same amount on the region that was previously spent by the EU?

If 1 is the answer then it is a Brexit problem. If 2 is the answer then it is a Tory problem.

If it's a Tory problem then the blame lies with the people that voted Tory.
If it's a Brexit problem then the blame lies with people that voted for Brexit and/or the people that voted Tory in order to "Get Brexit Done".

Where do you land here? I know you are some sort of "reformed Tory" these days, although you'll undoubtedly vote for them again when it suits you, just like last time as I haven't seen you come out as pro-anyone else yet. But even you must recognise and accept the fact that you voting for them and now regretting it means you were either conned, selfish, ignorant or stupid (or a combination of the above). When people voted for Brexit it wasn't 100% clear how things would end up. When they voted for the Tories at the last election it was. You can't pretend they are doing anything other than what the rest of us knew they would do which means you were happy with the policy of shafting the poor and the northern towns as usual att voting time so what has changed? Tories are just being Tories, exactly as you wanted them to be.

P.S. By the way, the answer is 2. We are free to spend as much as we like on the region, Brexit hasn't stopped us in the slightest. The Tories have decided not to.

 

[Nano]

Small town
Keep going fella
I’m a massive supporter of you and you shining a light on the money draining away from us loyal citizens as a result of the Tory Brexit fcuking mess which makes our country massively poorer yet thieves like Raab truss et al deny it

You sound like Nadine Dorries defending Boris.

 

[Same_as_before]

You just don't do facts and seem unable to accept that most decisions were still made at a national level even in the EU. We both know that the UK problems are mainly down to the Tories.

Child poverty has fallen in the EU over the last 2 years. I'm sure you know why. It's because we left. Our rate of child poverty is around 50% higher than the EU average now. Pick out Seville if you must but Spain has similar child poverty rates to the UK. Andalucia is a poorer area of the country away from the larger cities so it's not surprising that it suffers similarly to Teesside. Its not over 50% though.

Post Brexit, the population of UK immigrants in Spain went up; it's back over 310,000 residents and we won't know whether it would have been further increased as you helped stop free movement.

I don't hate fishermen and farmers like you obviously do, but that's fair enough (I think I'm getting the hang of this now).

I apologise for saying how much I like Hungarian judges, you barmpot.

Why is an insult always a requirement of Remain?

I was never that fanatical a Brexiteer, I was 50 50. It was when I was reading on here that the vote should be null and void because people were too thick to understand the question I thought, nah.