The Ang Rayner Protest in Yarm

Liamo said:
They're not looking into the Capital Gains Tax issue so much though, as I understand it they're now looking into whether she was registered to vote at the wrong address, based on a complaint made by Tory party deputy chairman and Bury North MP James Daly.

Once again, it doesn't seem clear to me that there really is an offence here. According to the Electoral Commission website:



Now, the house she was registered at was the only house she owned and she has pointed out that she still spent time there (how much is a matter of debate, apparently) still paid all the bills for that house etc.

Daly says he has info from former neighbours of hers who will dispute her claim to have not been living full time with her husband before she sold her house but I have to wonder about how reliable that info is.

Even if some of her former neighbours are saying that (and we only have Daly's word for it so far) unless they kept a log of the exact times and dates that she entered and left the property then it seems to me their impressions of where she spent most of her time might be open to question anyway.
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It's a fishing expedition then ?
 
Liamo said:
Even if some of her former neighbours are saying that (and we only have Daly's word for it so far) unless they kept a log of the exact times and dates that she entered and left the property then it seems to me their impressions of where she spent most of her time might be open to question anyway.
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You mean to say some people don't log whenever their neighbour's enter or leave their house? Better safe than sorry I say because now the polis will only have hearsay from over a decade ago to go on. Schoolboy error!
 
ThePrisoner said:
I wonder of these neighbours are still in the same properties they were at the time or if the tories have had to track them down? Whatever the case, they are class traitors.
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Not 100% but where she lived may have been in Wraggs constituency .........🙄
 
JonnyHistory said:
It's always was.

The police are being shameless in their anytime imo. The Tories were expect it, but police asking how high shall we jump in this case is pathetic.
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I think that's a little unfair; this government has a history of making vexatious complaints to the police, but they are then duty bound to carry out a proportionate investigation, which is what I'm sure they'll do, only to give there isn't any evidence to substantiate the allegations.

It's shameless really and isn't about what final decision the police eventually make, rather the 'no smoke without fire' headlines the RWM run with in the meantime.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I think that's a little unfair; this government has a history of making vexatious complaints to the police, but they are then duty bound to carry out a proportionate investigation, which is what I'm sure they'll do, only to give there isn't any evidence to substantiate the allegations.

It's shameless really and isn't about what final decision the police eventually make, rather the 'no smoke without fire' headlines the RWM run with in the meantime.
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This has already been investigated. The police know it's frivolous and if it was any other party or member of the public they would not be investigating again.

The police have shown time and again this last decade that they are more than willing to be Tory lapdogs, I mean Bojos Abba party? They investigated everything but they worse event. If that was Starmer/Raynor do you really believe the same restraint would be shown?

The police are being good little boys for their masters nothing more.
 
JonnyHistory said:
This has already been investigated. The police know it's frivolous and if it was any other party or member of the public they would not be investigating again.

The police have shown time and again this last decade that they are more than willing to be Tory lapdogs, I mean Bojos Abba party? They investigated everything but they worse event. If that was Starmer/Raynor do you really believe the same restraint would be shown?

The police are being good little boys for their masters nothing more.
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Having been on the recieving end of such things I couldn't disagree more.
 
Liamo said:
They're not looking into the Capital Gains Tax issue so much though, as I understand it they're now looking into whether she was registered to vote at the wrong address, based on a complaint made by Tory party deputy chairman and Bury North MP James Daly.

Once again, it doesn't seem clear to me that there really is an offence here. According to the Electoral Commission website:



Now, the house she was registered at was the only house she owned and she has pointed out that she still spent time there (how much is a matter of debate, apparently) still paid all the bills for that house etc.

Daly says he has info from former neighbours of hers who will dispute her claim to have not been living full time with her husband before she sold her house but I have to wonder about how reliable that info is.

Even if some of her former neighbours are saying that (and we only have Daly's word for it so far) unless they kept a log of the exact times and dates that she entered and left the property then it seems to me their impressions of where she spent most of her time might be open to question anyway.
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Am I being a bit dense, but wasn’t she doing what every student who is registered to vote at university and at home has always done. I thought it was only an offence to vote twice not to be registered to vote more than once?
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Having been on the recieving end of such things I couldn't disagree more.
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I saw first hand how the local police doing Steve Turners bidding during and after the local elections last year.
I also saw first hand (in a police and crimes commission meeting) threatening whats app and Facebook messages he sent to people who "dared" to stand up to him as well, police did nothing except what he wanted.

We all saw how heavy handed police have been to protestors that the government deems most egregious.

And today they have reopened an investigation based on the hearsay of two people and their memory of 10 years ago! Yet when the entire nation almost wanted Bojo to be investigated fully for all of his party's ect they did the bare minimum and investigated the bare minimum and only after public outcry, when it was Labour et al asking for the investigation they did nothing.

I am sorry but I do not see any fair application of the law when it comes to the police.
 
JonnyHistory said:
I saw first hand how the local police doing Steve Turners bidding during and after the local elections last year.
I also saw first hand (in a police and crimes commission meeting) threatening whats app and Facebook messages he sent to people who "dared" to stand up to him as well, police did nothing except what he wanted.

We all saw how heavy handed police have been to protestors that the government deems most egregious.

And today they have reopened an investigation based on the hearsay of two people and their memory of 10 years ago! Yet when the entire nation almost wanted Bojo to be investigated fully for all of his party's ect they did the bare minimum and investigated the bare minimum and only after public outcry, when it was Labour et al asking for the investigation they did nothing.

I am sorry but I do not see any fair application of the law when it comes to the police.
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To be clear my currency has lapsed a little and I have no direct experience of Steve Turner, although what I do know of him would suggest your view is fairly accurate.

I think policing in general has been overly politicised over the last decade, firstly with the introduction of the OPCC's and more recently by the current government.

Politics and policing should be kept at arms length.
 
I've been looking to see if I could get a better idea of what the exact rules are for residence for electoral purposes but the closest I could find was this, from the Electoral Commission website:

Normally a person is resident at an address for electoral purposes if it is their permanent home address.

When making a determination on someone’s residence, you need to consider the circumstances of the applicant, including the purpose they are present at a particular address for and/or the reasons they are absent.
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It seems to me that's open to interpretation. All it says is that the individual's circumstances need to be considered. Depending on the judgment of the person doing the interpretation I'd say it's at least possible Rayner's house could have qualified as her permanent home address even if she wasn't living there 100% of the time.

I would agree with what others have said, that it's basically just a fishing expedition.
 
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