TeessideCleveland
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And you have any doubts who did it?
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I don't know who did it, no.
Scrote
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Preventing nuclear war. The Finns and Polish are presumably getting twitchy because the threat of Nukes is getting more real. Ukraine winning makes this more likely.
The Russian comms is fairly clear on who did it. They bragged about doing it. They claimed it as a success. They realised it was worse than they'd planned* and then back-tracked.
*depending on who actually planned it and what the actual plan was
Sounds cut and dry, can you send me a link to those Comms?
Druss_The_Legend
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Day 239: threat of Russia renewing offensive from Belarus grows, Russians mine dam of Kakhovka hydropower plant | UACRISIS.ORG
DAY 239 OF RESISTANCE: threat of Russia renewing offensive from Belarus grows, Russians mine dam of Kakhovka hydropower plant | Uacrisis.org
uacrisis.org
This is just one example, but it was pretty well covered in the media at the time(back end of October) that Russia was going to blow the dam and had mined it, they had already blown the roadway above the dam to stop the Ukrainian military advancing.
I can't find it at the moment but I remember the Russian propaganda channels bragging about it.
It has also been mentioned from multiple sources online for a while that the Russians have mined the nuclear plant.
I am 99% certain that Russia was behind the attack on the dam. They dropped the levels to record low levels, then put the water levels to record high levels then the dam exploded.
Day 239: threat of Russia renewing offensive from Belarus grows, Russians mine dam of Kakhovka hydropower plant | UACRISIS.ORG
DAY 239 OF RESISTANCE: threat of Russia renewing offensive from Belarus grows, Russians mine dam of Kakhovka hydropower plant | Uacrisis.org
This is just one example, but it was pretty well covered in the media at the time(back end of October) that Russia was going to blow the dam and had mined it, they had already blown the roadway above the dam to stop the Ukrainian military advancing.
I can't find it at the moment but I remember the Russian propaganda channels bragging about it.
It has also been mentioned from multiple sources online for a while that the Russians have mined the nuclear plant.
I am 99% certain that Russia was behind the attack on the dam. They dropped the levels to record low levels, then put the water levels to record high levels then the dam exploded.
The Washington post reported in December that Ukraine had plans to blow up the dam and had fired a himars at it to test it's ability to do so...
I'm expecting scrote to provide Comms after the incident
The article in question around 2/3rds down.
I'm not for a second insinuating Ukraine did this, I'm saying I don't know, so please don't round on me like a heretic.
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They are on this thread a few pages back (probably a lot of pages back now). Some bloke captured some social media with Russian middle rankers celebrating their success, a few hours later the story changed to the Ukrainians did it.
I saw the post, I can't be bothered to trawl back through.
I've just scrolled back to before the dam attack, you are confidently incorrect. Unless the original poster deleted the comment / video / audio.
HolgateCorner
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The BBC are saying they can’t verify the situation surrounding the dam breach yet posters above claim they can.
Lot of misinformation in this war in my view, hard to know what to believe.
Lot of misinformation in this war in my view, hard to know what to believe.
TeaCider
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The BBC can't verify it because it's largely in Russian occupied areas and Russia's denied virtually every single atrocity it's committed during this war, even the ones we have actual proof they've committed in reclaimed areas.
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Druss_The_Legend
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I wouldn't go directly against anything you are saying, I am also only giving my opinion on things and trying to see the bigger picture.
From looking at all sides and perspectives I think that Russia had/has more to gain by doing this.
Looking at the Russian doctrine and things that Russian top brass has said in the past this seems to be more in line with what Russia would do Putin has said something in the past along the lines of "if there is no Russia there is no world".
The main defence coming from the Russian side is the Canal to Crimea, this Canal was switched off between 2014-2022 so the Russians know they can cope for X amount of time without it.
The other argument is destroying defence works and minefields, with the dam flooded these earthworks and minefields become irrelevant as this area will be inaccessible for some time, the water will spread the mines throughout the region. It also gives the Russians chance to fall back redistribute equipment and manpower at least on a short to medium term.
It gives the Russian the fear advantage, now people are worried about the NPP and other dams being taken out and they give the impression of power and that they are not afraid to take things further.
And my final point why I think it was Russia is the lies and gaslighting Russia does, 1000s and 1000s of people have died on both sides in a non war, I find it very difficult to believe these things.
I mean sure your welcome to believe whatever you like. Hope you're not ever on my jury if I were ever falsely accused though.
HolgateCorner
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The only thing I read which made me wonder was the Crimea water supply was affected, that would destabilise that area ready for a reclaim? Otherwise you would think it was Putin battering Ukraine infrastructure and showing nothing was off limits.
Muttley
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As ever, decide who has most to gain by blowing the dam when it was blown
If the dam had been blown whilst the Russians still held Kherson the advantage would fall to the Ukraine. As it was blown on the cusp of or during the Ukraine counter offensive the advantage for doing so is undoubtedly to the Russians.
Not proof, but to paraphrase Sherlock Holmes "once you have eliminated those with nothing to gain you can identify by elimination the most likely agent"
If the dam had been blown whilst the Russians still held Kherson the advantage would fall to the Ukraine. As it was blown on the cusp of or during the Ukraine counter offensive the advantage for doing so is undoubtedly to the Russians.
Not proof, but to paraphrase Sherlock Holmes "once you have eliminated those with nothing to gain you can identify by elimination the most likely agent"
Read the twitter thread..Try this. Post #3049 by Lefty
Does not claim what you said above it claims, 0 evidence.
I don't want to labour the point, I'm sure info will come out over the coming months.
I have no control over what NATO do but I hope for all our sakes if they decide to put boots on the ground in Ukraine that they really know what they're doing and that Russian nuclear missiles are badly maintained and don't work.
A single simple fact is, sadly it does not matter how abhorrent the Russian regime is (and it is), a direct military conflict between NATO and Russia or China will result in a dramatic increase in the likelihood of us all dying from nuclear explosions and/or fallout. Everyone one on this forum, all their children, their grandchildren and onwards.
Maybe that's worth the risk, but that is a callous psychopathic wager to make and I'm glad I don't have to make it.