The horrible Joey Barton at it...

TeaCider said:
The point he made was that no woman should be allowed to speak about or commentate on men's football.

If you completely agree with that, you're clearly a sexist.

Laura Woods wouldn't be allowed in Joey Barton's bigoted Little World of Football.
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Don't think that's his point. Woods is a presenter, not a pundit. It's a separate part of the job and they are there to ask questions, not answer them.

The role of the pundit is to offer knowledge and insight into what we see on the pitch and they have gained that knowledge and insight through the lived experience of playing equivalent level football.

If that is his point, and it's Joey Barton so maybe he is just a bigoted ****, then I think it's fair to say that female pundits being there based on their experience is the same as having non-league footballers. Yes, they've played in games that mean a lot to them but typically in front of small crowds and they've had lower level facilities, coaching etc. It's not equivalent experience. It doesn't happen that non-league footballers get punditry gigs though but they have as much experience of top level football.

If it is the case that relevant experience isn't important to be a pundit then surely we'll be seeing journalists, agents, celebrities etc before long.

The standard of punditry from ex-pros is up there with the standard of refereeing in the PL so ex PL pros doesn't guarantee someone that can do a good job. Most of them are morons that don't even understand the rules so it's a fair question to ask whether it matters. The majority of panels now are made up of women that have never played the game, Micah Richards who is there for entertainment and a failed manager.
 
festa5 said:
It's not the point he's making.

The point he's making is that even Laura Woods shouldn't be talking about the men's game.

By Barton's logic you have to have played football at that level in the men's game to be able to talk about it.

Which presumably also rules out any number of male journalists, commentators or pundits. Strangely he doesn't seem to mention any of those though.
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I went to listen to this on the back of what was put in here.

Generally his point is valid, there's so many " ticking the boxes" in this field that it is diluting the experience. He does miss the mark on a couple of points as there is exceptions but after reading the 1st 20 posts on here I expected a terrible drunken sexist babble from a bloke I hate but tbf o him it was mostly an eloquently put point of view.
 
Nano said:
Don't think that's his point. Woods is a presenter, not a pundit. It's a separate part of the job and they are there to ask questions, not answer them.

The role of the pundit is to offer knowledge and insight into what we see on the pitch and they have gained that knowledge and insight through the lived experience of playing equivalent level football.

If that is his point, and it's Joey Barton so maybe he is just a bigoted ****, then I think it's fair to say that female pundits being there based on their experience is the same as having non-league footballers. Yes, they've played in games that mean a lot to them but typically in front of small crowds and they've had lower level facilities, coaching etc. It's not equivalent experience. It doesn't happen that non-league footballers get punditry gigs though but they have as much experience of top level football.

If it is the case that relevant experience isn't important to be a pundit then surely we'll be seeing journalists, agents, celebrities etc before long.

The standard of punditry from ex-pros is up there with the standard of refereeing in the PL so ex PL pros doesn't guarantee someone that can do a good job. Most of them are morons that don't even understand the rules so it's a fair question to ask whether it matters. The majority of panels now are made up of women that have never played the game, Micah Richards who is there for entertainment and a failed manager.
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By this logic then, Jose Mourinho and Jurgen Klopp had very average playing careers so they shouldn't be allowed to manage at the very highest level?
 
I used to like Joey Barton.. sure he made a few mistakes but so did Steven Gerrard and John Terry. Would have been happy to see him at boro in his football career tbh.. pretty sure we were in for him around the Gary O’Neil period. Maybe even as an alternative to Didier Digard.

Anyway.. he is a total knob head. How wrong I was. I thought scousers were supposed to be sound.
 
Biggy said:
I went to listen to this on the back of what was put in here.

Generally his point is valid, there's so many " ticking the boxes" in this field that it is diluting the experience. He does miss the mark on a couple of points as there is exceptions but after reading the 1st 20 posts on here I expected a terrible drunken sexist babble from a bloke I hate but tbf o him it was mostly an eloquently put point of view.
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It is sexist.

Otherwise why not also mention all the male pundits, some of whom have probably never kicked a ball in their lives, let alone to the level of an international female footballer.

It's funny how no-one ever had a problem with John Motson, Clive Tyldesley etc commentating on games or the likes of Martin Samuels writing about what Man United are doing wrong tactically.

Why is it suddenly a problem now women are doing (most who are far more qualified than those I've mentioned to talk about it).
 
Brian Marwood said:
By this logic then, Jose Mourinho and Jurgen Klopp had very average playing careers so they shouldn't be allowed to manage at the very highest level?
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I don't see how you've applied any logic to reach that conclusion. Neither were just given top level managerial roles.

Klopp played 2nd division football for 10 years at the same club, became their manager (which was the appropriate level) and then got a job at a Dortmund after doing well at his previous club. He never would have been given the Liverpool/Dortmund job based off just his playing career.

Mourinho was a unique journey to becoming a manager. The vast majority of people with his career would not have ended up anywhere near management but he didn't just get a job at the top level though a box-ticking exercise. He worked his way up through various coaching roles and a good relationship with a mentor in Bobby Robson.
 
Nano said:
I don't see how you've applied any logic to reach that conclusion. Neither were just given top level managerial roles.

Klopp played 2nd division football for 10 years at the same club, became their manager (which was the appropriate level) and then got a job at a Dortmund after doing well at his previous club. He never would have been given the Liverpool/Dortmund job based off just his playing career.

Mourinho was a unique journey to becoming a manager. The vast majority of people with his career would not have ended up anywhere near management but he didn't just get a job at the top level though a box-ticking exercise. He worked his way up through various coaching roles and a good relationship with a mentor in Bobby Robson.
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So why can't women grow into the punditry role or are they only being judged on their played career?
 
newyddion said:
I used to like Joey Barton.. sure he made a few mistakes but so did Steven Gerrard and John Terry. Would have been happy to see him at boro in his football career tbh.. pretty sure we were in for him around the Gary O’Neil period. Maybe even as an alternative to Didier Digard.

Anyway.. he is a total knob head. How wrong I was. I thought scousers were supposed to be sound.
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Luckily we opted for the myth, the legend Digard instead!!

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woooooosh!
 
Brian Marwood said:
So why can't women grow into the punditry role or are they only being judged on their played career?
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Because the logical step in your argument would be for them to work in men's football until they have the experience that they can pundit at the relevant level. They absolutely can do that if they choose and I don't think even Joey Barton would have a problem with someone that had worked and experienced top level men's football being a pundit but that's not what is happening.

No matter how much time they spend being a pundit they will never gain the experience of the thing they are being a pundit on. They could do that job for 30 years but when the presenter asks them how it feels standing in that tunnel at Wembley before leading your team out to an FA Cup final in front of 80k fans then they will never be able to give an answer. Even something basic like being asked what it's like playing in front of the atmospheres you get or playing against a player like Messi etc. The things they are there to do, which is provide insight, they are unable to do without having that experience. Some of the tactics they can be as knowledgeable as the men although the women's game is very different tactically than the men's but they are probably more up to date than some of the pundits that retired from football 30 years ago.

I'm fully on board with the argument for women being there by the way. Not because I do thing they are able to provide the insight but because their competition is no better. I don't believe the ex-players provide the necessary insight. A lot of them aren't intelligent enough to do so and the others have proven that they can't translate their theory knowledge into practice by being failures at management.

Women are there as a box-ticking exercise but they are no worse than the experts alongside them so there's no harm in them being there.
 
The latest in a stream of feeble attempts to stay relevant by pseudo intellectual bigot's bigot, Joey Barton. His views belong firmly in the 16th century, whichever way you look at it, it's misogynistic and ever so thinly veiled hatred of women.

He can get in the bin frankly, along with anyone willing to give credence to his "views".
 
Nano said:
Don't think that's his point. Woods is a presenter, not a pundit. It's a separate part of the job and they are there to ask questions, not answer them.

The role of the pundit is to offer knowledge and insight into what we see on the pitch and they have gained that knowledge and insight through the lived experience of playing equivalent level football.

If that is his point, and it's Joey Barton so maybe he is just a bigoted ****, then I think it's fair to say that female pundits being there based on their experience is the same as having non-league footballers. Yes, they've played in games that mean a lot to them but typically in front of small crowds and they've had lower level facilities, coaching etc. It's not equivalent experience. It doesn't happen that non-league footballers get punditry gigs though but they have as much experience of top level football.

If it is the case that relevant experience isn't important to be a pundit then surely we'll be seeing journalists, agents, celebrities etc before long.

The standard of punditry from ex-pros is up there with the standard of refereeing in the PL so ex PL pros doesn't guarantee someone that can do a good job. Most of them are morons that don't even understand the rules so it's a fair question to ask whether it matters. The majority of panels now are made up of women that have never played the game, Micah Richards who is there for entertainment and a failed manager.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1732535415033184443

It's literally what he said, so it was his point.

"Women shouldn't be allowed to talk about men's football."

He doubled down on it too.

Even if was aimed purely at commentators, which is the usual red flag for Barton's sort, plenty of the male ones have had no involvement in playing football.

It's blatant sexism.

Then he goes off on weird rants saying that anyone who disagrees with him is a eunuch.
 
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Nano said:
Women are there as a box-ticking exercise but they are no worse than the experts alongside them so there's no harm in them being there.
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Is the box that they ticked "English and have won a major international tournament. At Wembley in front of 80,000 people."?
Not many "non league" players can say that. Not many English male footballers can say that.

It's my opinion that people who are sexist, racist, homophobic etc , act like that because they're inadequate, and criticising others like Barton has makes them feel slightly better about themselves.
 
The Card Cheat said:
Is the box that they ticked "English and have won a major international tournament. At Wembley in front of 80,000 people."?
Not many "non league" players can say that. Not many English male footballers can say that.

It's my opinion that people who are sexist, racist, homophobic etc , act like that because they're inadequate, and criticising others like Barton has makes them feel slightly better about themselves.
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100% this, not surprised at all it coincides with his sacking.

People, when they feel cornered or ignored, usually hit out in an attempt to garner attention, knowing full well the more "outrageous" their attack, the more likely they'll get the attention they deserve.
 
TeaCider said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1732535415033184443

It's literally what he said, so it was his point.

"Women shouldn't be allowed to talk about men's football."

He doubled down on it too.

Even if was aimed purely at commentators, which is the usual red flag for Barton's sort, plenty of the male ones have had no involvement in playing football.

It's blatant sexism.

Then he goes off on weird rants saying that anyone who disagrees with him is a eunuch.
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He didn't. He said "speak with authority". That doesn't include presenters asking questions and commentators describing what is happening. That's explicitly talking about people giving their opinions on things which is the job of pundit and co-commentator.

Brian Marwood said:
Isn't that a contradiction?
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No. I know why they are but it doesn't bother me who they employ. I was explaining the argument against female pundits but I don't have to support the argument.
The Card Cheat said:
Is the box that they ticked "English and have won a major international tournament. At Wembley in front of 80,000 people."?
Not many "non league" players can say that. Not many English male footballers can say that.

It's my opinion that people who are sexist, racist, homophobic etc , act like that because they're inadequate, and criticising others like Barton has makes them feel slightly better about themselves.
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Most of them haven't achieved that and a lot of them got their jobs in the media before that achievement when they were playing first team games on training pitches in front of 100s.
 
Nano said:
He didn't. He said "speak with authority". That doesn't include presenters asking questions and commentators describing what is happening. That's explicitly talking about people giving their opinions on things which is the job of pundit and co-commentator.
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Read through the utter ***** he's posting on his twitter.

He's including all women, as pundits, as presenters and as commentators and explicitly calling out Laura Woods.

He's also saying that women can't be trusted to work with men in football because they'll end up having affairs with men and sending naked photos.

He's an absolute F***ing idiot, and I'm shocked that people on here are openly agreeing with him.
 
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