These people sat in parks today

Cuthbert said:
To be fair bear66 (and I know you like playing devil's advocate) given the sheer number of people that the PM comes in to contact with, EVEN with following guidelines, he's bound to be more at risk.

Edit: As you well know, research out of the USA this week suggests that Coronavirus can spread 8m in a sneeze. People still have to go food shopping. 2m guidelines are probably a decent trade off between risk and practicality. (y)(y)
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But he's not (or wasn't) following rules. Someone I know works in Whitehall and said that social distancing as a concept doesn't exist behind close doors - talk of 8 people packed into a small conference room etc.
 
Cuthbert said:
I actually respect the government (irrespective of party) for trying to get the population to take some responsibility. (Without total enforcement).

Personally I think there's far too much "the government should do this... the government should do that". People, individuals, need to have some accountability too.

IMO - obviously.
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I can see where you are coming from on this but, as ever, there is a different view.
This is serious, we are told time and time again, and we have a strategy agreed by government and medics which, they say, will keep more people safe and limit deaths.
It is unusual to have such a crucial strategy dependant on people exercising ‘common sense’ in the full knowledge that some will ignore it.

What is more concerning is the narrative at press conferences now which goes something like ‘if people take the advice we may be able to come out of lockdown earlier.
It has all the makings of ‘this would have been ok had you lot listened’
That doesn’t sound like a great way to handle a crisis
 
GazC_MFC said:
If people exercise are they allowed to rest period in said exercise? Just playing devils advocate

like finny said they were all social distancing
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Why are people so keen to bend and flex the directive from the government?

Surely everyone understands why they've done it and follows its spirit as well as the letter of the request rather than trying to find holes in their statement ?
 
My heart goes out to those with children, particularly those living in apartments. It's relatively easy for adults living alone or as a couple, no excuse really for them to be out, you can exercise at home.

A high proportion of people up here have an outdoor space up here, not the same in many cities.
 
It's the way it is though. We don't have kids but do live in an apartment. I really miss the outdoors. I go for a run every couple of days as normal but that's it. Wouldn't even dream about going to a park.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Why are people so keen to bend and flex the directive from the government?

Surely everyone understands why they've done it and follows its spirit as well as the letter of the request rather than trying to find holes in their statement ?
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like I say I’m playing devils advocate. I’m not promoting people going to parks and sitting on benches.
 
SmallTown said:
It's the way it is though. We don't have kids but do live in an apartment. I really miss the outdoors. I go for a run every couple of days as normal but that's it. Wouldn't even dream about going to a park.
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It must be tough Small Town being active and couped up in an apartment. If we all follow the advice we will come out of this lockdown sonner rather than later. Stick with it mate you'll be fine, you will be enjoying days out in the park before the start of June.
 
I know this is emotive, but keep the dialogue civil please. People can take a different view. The government direction are actually not clear at all when you drill down into them, which is why you will find nuanced interpretation. We all still need to eat. Bins still need emptying. People and things still need to be transported, so it is impossible to actually prevent the virus from spreading. There are also some scientits recommending that people get their vitamin D levels topped up as it inhibits the way the virus causes severe disease. There was also advice from the NHS the other day to prepare your body for infection by being fit ... the exercise is important. They key thing is social distancing.... and hand washing before and after you go out.
 
Mattss9 said:
It must be tough Small Town being active and couped up in an apartment. If we all follow the advice we will come out of this lockdown sonner rather than later. Stick with it mate you'll be fine, you will be enjoying days out in the park before the start of June.
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It's horrible mate. My Crossfti box posts a workout each day. 90% of them I can't do due to lack of space. I can do yoga though so stay active but I so miss weightlifting.
 
On Marton Road outside the belle vue fish shop. There's a group of beggers. They are there every night. Surely these are the type of people who need addressing.
 
And I agree that the narrative of blaming people for going out plays very handily for a government which has sent health care workers to treat infected patients with inadequate or zero PPE. These health workers then pass the disease on .... both at work, and away from work. This will be spreading far more virus than sitting in a park. Ditto for the people having to travel of crowded tube trains ... still. That's where disease will spread most rapidly.
 
My son is in a similar situation to yourself, he's at the gym every day normally

He's exercising still but no runs and no gym. That will all change not too far into the distance. I'm not going out walking, I'm doing my bits of keep fit in the house.
 
Shaboro1986 said:
On Marton Road outside the belle vue fish shop. There's a group of beggers. They are there every night. Surely these are the type of people who need addressing.
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If they're having to resort to begging they're desperate and need helping, so yes, it's a problem on two fronts. Chances are they're not aware of any advice, government or otherwise.
 
I was thinking about things last night and realised that many of us are stilling thinking about our wants rather than our needs, at times myself included, in hindsight I’ve been a bit irresponsible, yesterday I went out and bought, bread, cheese and potatoes, nice things to have but in reality nothing I couldn’t have coped without until I need to do a bigger shop, that journey may ultimately mean I catch the virus and worst case scenario die from it, I realise I shouldn’t have taken that trip.

If we all take the rest of this week and the conclusion of current lockdown to purely focus on what we need rather than what we want then the restrictions may lift quicker, we can revert to a normal existence and most importantly keep as many people as we can alive.

The more restrictive we are now the more time in the future we will have without restrictions, think before leaving the house, do I NEED to do this or do I WANT to do this ?
 
I have said this before and I will say it again, the Government message is weak and lacks leadership. What does Gove et al mean when he asks us to follow the Government guidelines? It is illegal to drive your car without adequate insurance, illegal. The government don't issue guidelines on the MOT either, they pass legislation.

The Government should give a more concise message and back it up with legislation. Are Johnson and his cabinet creating a convienient scapegoat with the wishy washy guidelines?

As things stand at the moment people will interpret the guidelines in different ways, as has been demonstrated on this thread.
 
From the comments from a couple of posters on this thread, I think that at last I have an answer to a question that I've posed a couple of times on other threads - why is it that a significant number of people in the UK can't understand the severity of the situation, and ignore the advice they're given to stay indoors ?

It's all "me me me" isn't it - I want to go for a drive, I want to have my exercise where I want to have it, I don't see what the problem is .... utter selfishness

You might not agree with it, or see the need for it, but just bl00dy do it - stay inside

The sooner the inept fckwit and his cronies impose a lockdown and patrol it properly the better
 
Cuthbert said:
I actually respect the government (irrespective of party) for trying to get the population to take some responsibility. (Without total enforcement).

Personally I think there's far too much "the government should do this... the government should do that". People, individuals, need to have some accountability too.

IMO - obviously.
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I think you make a good point but it probably indicates a large number who disagree with the lockdown and will only do it if they are ‘forced‘.
 
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