Tories back in poll lead, didn't take long ...

Otto42 said:
Johnson's an opportunist, he says and does whatever works best for him. In reality this government is a Johnson government rather than a Tory government. Hopefully he's now running out of opportunities as he's upset both left and right of his party
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Well exactly. The only thing Johnson is (and ever has been) an ardent supporter of is himself.
 
gregorgregorovich said:
Centre right within the Labour party, not centre right across the whole political spectrum.
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Centre right across the whole political spectrum.
He would be well at ease in the Liberal Democrat Party or indeed David Cameron era Conservative party. The Conservatives have lurched much further to the right now taking up the space occupied by UKIP etc
 
Andy_W said:
I'm definitely now starting to think that Labour need BJ to stay, to improve their chances of winning/ getting a coalition. If I was a Labour strategist I think I would think about taking the foot off the gas a little now, no point shooting a guy when he's already dead. Unless they think they can pummel them down to an unrecoverable level, which certainly looks possible.

But I think Tory tactics are probably going to mean a leadership change in the run up to the GE. I think this change will come after we're over Omicron (which is probably going to be the end of Covid for us) and heading into summer. My bet is they've discussed it with BJ already, and he gets a hefty pay off to continue to take the hit (most of his own doing), until they get near their perceived lowest level of support, then he goes then. Then they go for the "new manager bounce" at the time of the better mood in the UK (summer). Then they'll start on the gravy train of false promises and lies with the new guy.

It will give them 2 years to build up the name for the new guy and they will blame all their failings on BJ (and Corby/ Starmer of course).
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They need to start holding the guy to account. What’s the point in having a barrister, former director of public prosecutions? Surely it should be like shooting fish in a barrel? Obviously not!

Another job and he would have been fired.. much like all of his previous jobs. Not only are they laughing in our faces.. their dancing on our graves!
 
Again, haven’t read the whole thread - yet - but Starmer is to the left of the Tory party and that’s the most important thing as things stand IMO. We need these f*ckers out of office ASAP and I’d much prefer Starmer than whichever evil sack of sh*t the Tories put forwards as the current incumbent’s replacement.

I was a massive supporter of Corbyn and still support his policies and politics, and appreciate that Starmer and his crew haven’t exactly been inclusive of the left of the party since they took over, but to my mind this is where we need to unite and make sure we get rid of these corrupt and evil b*stards at the earliest opportunity. There is no other option but to unite for the greater good.
 
newyddion said:
Starmer, Philips, Streeting, Hodge..

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Nice graphic, but thI didn't ask where they were on the spectrum of socialism. I asked who were these right wingers, they're not right wingers. They're not rampant capitalists, or libertarians, they are not anti-socialist policies, they are not against nationalisation of rail for example. They are soft left/centrists on the political spectrum .
 
Andy_W said:
I'm definitely now starting to think that Labour need BJ to stay, to improve their chances of winning/ getting a coalition. If I was a Labour strategist I think I would think about taking the foot off the gas a little now, no point shooting a guy when he's already dead.
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exactly, we all know what happens, the tories jetison deadwood, and put a new face at the front....same old policies though, but they buy time and trust again with a new face.

Don't push them to jetison Johnson, let the electorate do that by re-iterating every lie, every u-turn and every corrupt practice in the lead up to the next election.
 
BoroMart said:
Nice graphic, but thI didn't ask where they were on the spectrum of socialism. I asked who were these right wingers, they're not right wingers. They're not rampant capitalists, or libertarians, they are not anti-socialist policies, they are not against nationalisation of rail for example. They are soft left/centrists on the political spectrum .
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that’s where they are on the political spectrum based on their voting records.

who out of starmer, philips, streeting & hodge is for nationalisation?

there is no such thing as ‘soft left’ it’s all just spin and newspeak. if your voting record shows you on the right of the political spectrum it doesn’t matter what you say or what political party to align yourself with or dress your self up as.
 
newyddion said:
that’s where they are on the political spectrum based on their voting records.

who out of starmer, philips, streeting & hodge is for nationalisation?

there is no such thing as ‘soft left’ it’s all just spin and newspeak. if your voting record shows you on the right of the political spectrum it doesn’t matter what you say or what political party to align yourself with or dress your self up as.
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of course there is, and that is a totally subjective chart. unless you put the tories on there, then you cannot get the perspective. all those labour people are left of 95% of Tory MPs
 
BoroMart said:
exactly, we all know what happens, the tories jetison deadwood, and put a new face at the front....same old policies though, but they buy time and trust again with a new face.

Don't push them to jetison Johnson, let the electorate do that by re-iterating every lie, every u-turn and every corrupt practice in the lead up to the next election.
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IMO: The Tories will oust Johnson sometime next year, giving the new leader (Sunak) a chance to ready himself for the General Election taking place in 2024 (at the latest) - maybe soon after the new leader is in place, using the bounce in opinion to their advantage. All depends on what happens with Covid.
 
BoroMart said:
They're not rampant capitalists, or libertarians, they are not anti-socialist policies, they are not against nationalisation of rail for example.
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It's only a few weeks since Starmer went on Andrew Marr to row back on his energy nationalisation pledges... during an energy crisis.

By all means support a greater good of getting the tories out but come on, realistically a Starmer government isn't going to nationalise anything. It's not happening.
 
SuperStu said:
It's only a few weeks since Starmer went on Andrew Marr to row back on his energy nationalisation pledges... during an energy crisis.

By all means support a greater good of getting the tories out but come on, realistically a Starmer government isn't going to nationalise anything. It's not happening.
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they won't sell off anything, such as NHS but yes re-nationalisation won't be high on the agenda, doesn't mean 5-10 years down the line it won't be.....but that isn't the same as the Tory sell everything we can philosophy
 
BoroMart said:
they won't sell off anything, such as NHS but yes re-nationalisation won't be high on the agenda, doesn't mean 5-10 years down the line it won't be.....but that isn't the same as the Tory sell everything we can philosophy
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You have to remember that the Corbynista (who will deny they're Corbynista) do not want Labour to win under Starmer , and would be happy seeing them become an effective protest movement - as that will be 'effective opposition' in their eyes
 
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