Tories back in poll lead, didn't take long ...

It's going to be interesting to see how many Tory back benchers kick back against Johnson. I'm sure they will win the vote but will be an indication of how long he has left in the job.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
You have to remember that the Corbynista (who will deny they're Corbynista) do not want Labour to win under Starmer , and would be happy seeing them become an effective protest movement - as that will be 'effective opposition' in their eyes
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That's exactly how this feels. You had the chance with Corbyn and I liked the guy and what he stood for and believe he was sabotaged by a fearful media elite but that has gone, he has gone. Quite frankly I'd vote for Thatcher's reanimated corpse before Johnson and Mogg.

Know your enemy
 
Chris_Boro said:
Tories also lost 3 Council by-elections yesterday, 2 to Labour and 1 to Lib Dems, with 3 more to declare.
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I live in the ward where the Lib Dem won and I'm very happy I leant him my vote to stop the Tory from winning. Locally the Tories have been full of themselves since they got their hands on this seat so great to see them get a good beating.

Hopefully a sign of things to come.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
You have to remember that the Corbynista (who will deny they're Corbynista) do not want Labour to win under Starmer , and would be happy seeing them become an effective protest movement - as that will be 'effective opposition' in their eyes
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What a load of tosh. There are plenty of "Corbynista", who post on here, me included and I absolutely want Labour to win. There were a lot more members of the PLP and other high profile ex MP's who wanted a Corbyn led Labour to lose to these b@@@@@@s in charge now. We have to stop attacking each other and I include Starmer in that as well as posters on here from both "sides, the irony of me doing just that isn't lost on me but I hope people can see the point I'm trying to make, At the risk of repeating myself, Tories out.
 
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gregorgregorovich said:
What a load of tosh. There are plenty of "Corbynista", who post on here, me included and I absolutely want Labour to win.
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Sadly, it isn't complete "tosh" I read posts fairly regularly from "lefties" saying they can't vote for Starmer and citing the politics that sabotaged Corbyn's 2019 campaign. As far as I'm concerned the most damaging element of the 2019 campaign was Corbyn himself with his ill delivered promises and poorly constructed and presented manifesto, it was cringe inducingly bad.

I agree that the most important thiing to do in the next election is to vote tactically to remove the Tories so if it means voting Lab, Lib, Green, Plaid, SNP or MRL vote 'em out. Ideally I would prefer to see an election pact based on a change to PR and independence referenda for Scotland, Wales and NI.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Very. They have 50 rebels voting against the Gov on Tuesday - that's not far short of the number needed to force a vote of no confidence within the party.
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Labour will obviously vote for the restrictions on Tuesday but imagine the mileage Starmer could get out of it at PMQs the following day i.e. Government needed to rely on opposition support.
 
BoroFur said:
Labour will obviously vote for the restrictions on Tuesday but imagine the mileage Starmer could get out of it at PMQs the following day i.e. Government needed to rely on opposition support.
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I know Starmer has to vote for the measures, it's such a gamble to do anything else BUT imagine if they abstained and it didn't get through - that really would be the end of Johnson.
 
MolteniArcore said:
I know Starmer has to vote for the measures, it's such a gamble to do anything else BUT imagine if they abstained and it didn't get through - that really would be the end of Johnson.
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Starmer could abstain based on no additional support for nighttime industry as a point of principle or put forward an amendment to provide the necessary financial support for the nighttime industry; Sunak won’t have that therefore Starmer could legitimately bring down Johnson.

I just don’t think Labour think through these opportunities fully, politics is a brutal game. Get in it and play or get out.
 
Muttley said:
Sadly, it isn't complete "tosh" I read posts fairly regularly from "lefties" saying they can't vote for Starmer and citing the politics that sabotaged Corbyn's 2019 campaign. As far as I'm concerned the most damaging element of the 2019 campaign was Corbyn himself with his ill delivered promises and poorly constructed and presented manifesto, it was cringe inducingly bad.

I agree that the most important thiing to do in the next election is to vote tactically to remove the Tories so if it means voting Lab, Lib, Green, Plaid, SNP or MRL vote 'em out. Ideally I would prefer to see an election pact based on a change to PR and independence referenda for Scotland, Wales and NI.
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Well, my plea to stop attacking each other didn't last long, did it? Tories out.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Starmer could abstain based on no additional support for nighttime industry as a point of principle or put forward an amendment to provide the necessary financial support for the nighttime industry; Sunak won’t have that therefore Starmer could legitimately bring down Johnson.

I just don’t think Labour think through these opportunities fully, politics is a brutal game. Get in it and play or get out.
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If they abstain and Omicron causes us a total nightmare they will get it thrown in their faces every time and PMQ's. It's a big gamble. It could blow up in their faces.

I suppose voting for them is the safe option - Johnson is doing a great job of ruining the Tories so it's probably the safest plan.

But I totally see the arguments for abstaining or voting against. It's such a tough decision politically.
 
MolteniArcore said:
If they abstain and Omicron causes us a total nightmare they will get it thrown in their faces every time and PMQ's. It's a big gamble. It could blow up in their faces.

I suppose voting for them is the safe option - Johnson is doing a great job of ruining the Tories so it's probably the safest plan.

But I totally see the arguments for abstaining or voting against. It's such a tough decision politically.
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Even if this happened, there is no way Johnson would resign, He would need to be pushed out and even then there is no guarantee the Tories would call an election. We could end up with the even more psychopathic Covid recovery group in charge. Labour unfortunately have to be the adults in the room.
 
sad to say I dont see any amount of tactical voting will oust the tories. there is a large majority of people in this country, in all areas, and all classes, who see tory doctrine as the only way now - safe with finances, trusted with the economy, business driven, sensible blah blah blah - its become endemic. there is no imagination or other way being demonstrated by anyone, very sad.
 
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BoroMart said:
I wonder how many of these lefties on twitter are actually lefties or paid saboteurs from the right to sow discourse and division
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the hang em shoot em birch em brigade do it on here, on almost every political thread - they love it when a labour person shifts to the right - they even give it the old (y) like button.

see above !
 
afcb_acklam said:
sad to say I dont see any amount of tactical voting will oust the tories. there is a large majority of people in this country, in all areas, and all classes, who see tory doctrine as the only way now - safe with finances, trusted with the economy, business driven, sensible - its become endemic. there is no imagination or other way being demonstrated by anyone, very sad.
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Survation has Labour 17 short of a majority with the Tories around 250. It's a lot harder for Labour to achieve a majority on their own with the SNP in Scotland but it is possible.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Survation has Labour 17 short of a majority with the Tories around 250. It's a lot harder for Labour to achieve a majority on their own with the SNP in Scotland but it is possible.
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I'm not overly concerned about getting a Labour majority and would be happy with them being the largest party and running either a minority government or a coalition with the more progressive parties. The key thing for me is ensuring the Tories have no chance of power at all, and if they don't get a majority I struggle to see them forming a government.
 
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