Trump - a last twist?

Cardiffdaffs

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Interesting lead in the Times opinion today from Daniel Finkelstein about the psyche of the ordinary American and the fact they operate in a movie led existence.
 

Lefty

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They should go after him in every way they can.

He has had a lot of luck getting elected and not getting impeached.

I think we forget just what the United States is capable of when they are seriously determined to do something.

The next four years will be a whole new ball game.

A Democrat White House, Senate and House. A department of justice and federal agencies who will not be in two minds and not interfering. He has virtually no friends in the mainstream media and even Murdoch tones it down to begin with against a Democrat President who could determine how the next 8 years go. It could be more than that with Harris as Vice. The States will be allowed to do their best to prosecute. He has no business friends and frankly business want him gone.

Trump has a base and some social media help, but it is pitiful compared to what he is up against. The Republicans are in a hard place. Very few like him, they want the optics to change so they can disown him, they just fear losing voters. Once more stuff starts coming out, which it will, they will publicly denounce him. Internationally he has few allies. He has annoyed China but given Biden a great hand to play with. MBS and Putin are the only others with Financial clout to prop him up. Putin will no doubt think it is worth a punt to keep Trump in the game fomenting discord, but Trump can’t give him any more than that now. I’m pretty sure Putin will have to face some significant retribution of his own from the US too.

Which leaves all the gun nutters. This is a problem, but COVID rules can assist the government and frankly, they will come up short against the military if they force it to be mobilised with drones and all.
 

dooderooni

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How will his supporters react when it is revealed that they've been lied to by all these GOP cowards who've enabled Trump?
House and Senate Republicans know that there wasn't widespread fraud in the election, if there was then many of them wouldn't have been elected, the GOP made gains in Congress this year after all.
Why does anyone think that there is no direction from the whips in both Houses regarding how the GOP should vote over impeachment? They'll all be hoping enough of their colleagues vote to impeach so they don't have to do themselves what they know is right. The GOP know they've ridden the Trump train too long and they want the Dems to take the flak while they jump off and if a few of their fellows nut up then they'll happily throw them under the bus to save their own cowardly necks.
When the extent of the lie they've spun to their voters comes out they could well become unelectable. That's why they're suddenly calling for unity and for Biden to bring the nation together because their balls are so far up inside them that their tonsils are being tickled.
 

Lefty

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How will his supporters react when it is revealed that they've been lied to by all these GOP cowards who've enabled Trump?
House and Senate Republicans know that there wasn't widespread fraud in the election, if there was then many of them wouldn't have been elected, the GOP made gains in Congress this year after all.
Why does anyone think that there is no direction from the whips in both Houses regarding how the GOP should vote over impeachment? They'll all be hoping enough of their colleagues vote to impeach so they don't have to do themselves what they know is right. The GOP know they've ridden the Trump train too long and they want the Dems to take the flak while they jump off and if a few of their fellows nut up then they'll happily throw them under the bus to save their own cowardly necks.
When the extent of the lie they've spun to their voters comes out they could well become unelectable. That's why they're suddenly calling for unity and for Biden to bring the nation together because their balls are so far up inside them that their tonsils are being tickled.

This is it, isn't it? How does one cope with the realisation that you've been duped, a sap, a mark?

Very rarely do we change our minds or a viewpoint overnight. As a rule, we don't have road to damascus moments. What happens is we tweek and tweek our viewpoint and we do so because evolution has set us up this way. We create a narrative of the world based on instincts we hold, instincts that allow us to navigate our way through life, so part of that involves developing our sense of self.

This is one of the reasons we don't like to be wrong. If we are wrong it shakes our internal and fundamental view of ourselves, so we twist our memories to make it seem we were less wrong. At the point we invaded Iraq around 60% of the population were in favour of it, even if that was provisional assuming the Intelligence info and assurances Blair gave was correct. Sometime later, once the disaster unfolded and the truth came out, that percentage had dropped to mid 30's. Just think about that. Something like 40% of the people who were originally in favour of the invasion had 'forgotten' they had held that view. Not that they now thought it was a mistake in hindsight, but that they ever thought we should invade. They told themselves this lie because they genuinely found it too discomforting to cope with what that truth might challenge them to confront in themselves.

Now, for those on the Left who opposed the invasion, it is easy to view this is typical hypocrisy of the hawks on the Right, who we want to think the worst of anyway, the shifty, immoral, slimy, bstards. Yet we all do this sort of thing every single day, because it is one of the strange, complicated functions of our memory, to ease cognitive dissonance. We need it, because without it, mental health really can suffer.

When you look at some of the Trump supporters at the riot, the 'normal' ones without the paramilitary trappings but just some of the women, they genuinely believed the guff they had been told, because they had been radicalised. They were susceptible to the lies because they fit in with what the wanted to believe and they were reinforced by others in their 'tribe' sharing these views in their echo chambers and media.

There is going to be some severe mental health issues for the Trumpians. I think there will be similar for Brexiters as the consequences of their terrible decision start to reveal and bite. About 1 in 5 Remainers reported mental health issues as they struggled to deal with the referendum result and fall out and the shaken foundations to some fundamental belief's they held about the ordinary majority of this country eg common sense, tolerance. For Brexiters it will be perhaps harder, since they voted emotionally and saw it as a representation of self, although hopefully the consequesences will be sufficiently drip, drip that they can adjust in small increments. I suspect the Trump revelations will hit like a thunderbolt for many. Everyone thinks they are the good guy, remember.
 

BoroMart

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So the trumpee republicans are now basing their defence around “healing”and uniting the nation.
After spending the last 4 years demonising the Dems as unpatriotich, trying to destroy the US, lying and corrupting government institutes, turning the base onto specific politicians such as the speaker for harassment. The calls for unity seems about self preservation and about 'getting away with it', nothing more
 

chickenrunner

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After spending the last 4 years demonising the Dems as unpatriotich, trying to destroy the US, lying and corrupting government institutes, turning the base onto specific politicians such as the speaker for harassment. The calls for unity seems about self preservation and about 'getting away with it', nothing more
Basically summed up in this satire piece from the Chicago Tribune.

Pro-Trump Attack on the Capitol
 
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Muttley

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Basically summed up in this a satire piece from the Chicago Tribune.

Pro-Trump Attack on the Capitol
Brilliant and scarily accurate, there really are numpties saying that prosecuting these terrorists will make things worse?

Which I can only guess is one of

1. They look like me so can't be terrorists
2. I'm a closet nazi
3. I'm p!ss-the-bed scared

...or possibly all of the above?
 
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