Trump - a last twist?

The Card Cheat

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PGA has pulled out of using his courses for tournaments now that will sting old donny.

he’s toxic now.

Absolutely true. Because Trump has got away with so much, we all buy into the narrative that he'll literally get away with anything, but theres always a tipping point.

All political careers end in failure and Trumps ended last Wednesday.
 

Caesium137

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Can I just ask a question? Is there any chance trump will end up in jail after he leaves office??

I think he's too rich. There are quite a few pending cases in NYC about financials and sexual misconduct I believe. But he's pretty teflon for most things.

If he is impeached and punted out I'd say it is more likely. If he sees out his term he'll continue as is, rousing his support. Undermining whichever candidate is to run against him for the 2024 nomination. The rumoured app, social network or own TV station too, so he can continue his falsehoods without challenge.

It's pretty depressing.
 

zorro_mfc

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This is rather worrying breaking news in the US.

The FBI has sent a memo to law enforcement agencies across the country warning of possible armed protests at all 50 state Capitols starting Jan. 16, and also says an armed group has threatened to travel to Washington, D.C., the same day and stage an uprising if Congress removes President Donald Trump from office, according to a senior law enforcement official.

The memo, which was first reported by ABC News, includes information provided by the ATF, DEA, Defense Department, Park Police, and the U.S. Marshals, among other agencies, according to the law enforcement official. Some of the information came from social media, some from open source, and some from other sources of information.

While the memo discusses possible threats discussed by online actors for Jan. 16 through the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden on Jan. 20, it doesn’t mean that law enforcement agencies expect violent mass protests or confrontations in every state, NBC News reported.
 

Trug

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Yes on many many fronts and this was before he tried to lead a coup on prime time TV.

Wether he does or not though is a different question.
If he is convicted on a charge that carries a jail sentence as minimum would he not have to serve it.
 

Caesium137

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Can I just ask a question? Is there any chance trump will end up in jail after he leaves office??
All those are without the carry on at the capitol and his claims of election fraud and enticement to violence etc.

1) Manhattan district attorney's office looking into financial inner workings of the Trump Organization. This case, which is being overseen by Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance Jr., grew out of questions regarding several hush money payments made in the run-up to the 2016 election by then-Trump fixer Michael Cohen to women alleging they had engaged in extramarital affairs with Trump. (Cohen told Congress, under oath, in 2019 that there was "no doubt" in his mind that Trump knew about the hush money payments.) The investigation is broader than just the hush money, however. As CNN's Kara Scannell and Erica Orden wrote last month:
"Prosecutors have suggested in court filings that the investigation could examine whether the President and his company engaged in bank fraud, insurance fraud, criminal tax fraud and falsification of business records."
Trump has repeatedly sought to block the DA's subpoena of eight years of his tax returns and financial records as part of the investigation.
2) New York state attorney general examining how Trump valued his assets. In the wake of Cohen's testimony alleging that Trump, along with his family members, had repeatedly "inflated his total assets when it served his purposes, such as trying to be listed among the wealthiest people in Forbes, and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes," New York AG Letitia James announced that she would investigate the claims to see if they elevate to the level of fraud. Just last month, Eric Trump was questioned under oath about whether he or the Trump organization sought to artificially inflate and deflate their assets.
https://www.youtube.com/user/CNN?sub_confirmation=1
3) Attorneys general of Maryland and Washington, DC, suing over the emoluments clause. This suit was originally brought way back in 2017, alleging that Trump was violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution by profiting from foreign governments' spending in his Trump hotel in downtown Washington. (Much more on the emoluments clause here.) The case appeared dead until May, when the 4th Circuit overturned the ruling of a three-judge panel that said the plaintiffs lacked standing to bring the case. Trump has appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. (There is also a second emoluments case that is still pending -- this one brought by a group of restaurants and a hotel operator.)
4) E. Jean Carroll's defamation lawsuit. Days before the 2020 election, a federal judge rejected an attempt by Trump, represented by Department of Justice lawyers, to effectively dismiss a case brought by Carroll alleging that Trump had raped her in the 1990s. He denied her allegation, saying, "She's not my type." The case is now proceeding through the federal court system.
5) Summer Zervos' defamation lawsuit. Zervos, a former contestant on "The Apprentice," sued Trump back in 2017, arguing that in his denial of her allegation that he had sexually assaulted her in 2007, he had defamed her and subjected her to harassment. Trump lost a bid to dismiss the case in late 2019, but the proceedings -- including a possible subpoena for Trump to provide a deposition -- have been put on hold until he leaves office.
6) Mary Trump's lawsuit. The niece of the President -- and the author of the scathing bestseller "Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man" -- sued Trump in September, alleging that he, his sister and his late brother had committed fraud to keep her from getting her fair share of the estate of Trump's father, Fred Sr.

Aside from those half-dozen suits is the question of whether Trump could be charged with obstruction of justice for his attempts to impede and inhibit the investigation into the 2016 election and Russia's role in it by special counsel Robert Mueller. In a back-and-forth during congressional testimony in July 2019, Mueller, a former FBI director, suggested that he believed Trump could be charged once he left office.

It's impossible to know whether any of these pending lawsuits will ever emerge as a genuine threat to Trump. Especially when you consider that Trump has, for decades, shown a willingness to exercise absolutely every legal avenue to protect himself, muddy the waters and slow the proceedings to a crawl.
What is clear, however, is that Trump will have fewer airtight legal protections as a former president than he did as a sitting president. Far fewer.
 

Wilf

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he may go this week, Pence becomes temp President and part of the deal in him going is that he receives a 'Pardon' off Pence.

all agreed with the establishment of course.
 

zorro_mfc

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There’s also the dichotomy that by pardoning himself it is in fact an admission of guilt so in effect a confession of sorts.
Which could plover tricky further down the line.
 

BiggEggo

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As I understand it, his route to a pardon was to step down and have Pence bestow it. He has not really thought that one through. Par for the course with him.
 

Osboro

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My understanding was the charges, especially from individual states would not be laid until after the inauguration.
You cannot be pardoned of a crime you hadn't been charged with.
Pence will no longer hold the power to pardon.
 

zorro_mfc

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My understanding was the charges, especially from individual states would not be laid until after the inauguration.
You cannot be pardoned of a crime you hadn't been charged with.
Pence will no longer hold the power to pardon.
Also presidential pardons do Not apply to state crimes either only federal ones.
 

Alvez_48

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If I were Pelosi and co I'd get through the inauguration and starve him of oxygen.

The best way she and the democrats could stop him and the worse version of him would be to make life better for the majority of Americans.

What I fear they will do instead is spend the next couple of years going after him and getting nothing done. Then lose the house and setting the stage for something more dangerous.
 

smogontherhine

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If I were Pelosi and co I'd get through the inauguration and starve him of oxygen.

The best way she and the democrats could stop him and the worse version of him would be to make life better for the majority of Americans.

What I fear they will do instead is spend the next couple of years going after him and getting nothing done. Then lose the house and setting the stage for something more dangerous.
I agree with you to a point....

The democrats have made it quite clear to Wall Street that it will be business as usual. They don't want to do anything to rock the boat. They'll use the act of "going after" Trump as a distraction. The MSM will lap it ut. The public will be fooled.
 

chickenrunner

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This piece is very good, you can tell she hails from Bishop Auckland, simple and straight to the point. And the conclusion at the end is absolutely correct, the first step in 'healing' the US needs to be taken by the Republicans in openly admitting that there was no mass fraud and the election was not stolen, it was won fair and square by Biden.

And read the bit on communications. Discrediting the 'MSM' is all part of the coup game, be warned.

Fiona Hill
 
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