Jedi boro
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That’s another thing cigarettes are finite you’d never see anyone come close to smoking for 90 mins solid even back in the old days but vapes just go on and on and on.
The volume the imbibe is insane.
Vaping is rank
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That’s another thing cigarettes are finite you’d never see anyone come close to smoking for 90 mins solid even back in the old days but vapes just go on and on and on.
The volume the imbibe is insane.
Quicksilvera
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If you see it, report it.
Quicksilvera
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They are a colossal danger to our youth, look how many walking to school these days are followed by a plume of sweet flavoured poison.
coluka
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Totally agree mate, I have seen (and yes reported) young kids being passed vapes from grown adults ffs. In such a case, if I had my way, it would not be just about being dealt with by the club, it was so irresponsible risking harm to their own kids, what does that tell you about some parenting in modern Britain, no respect for their own kids health and safety, never mind club rules or the wider community. Self, self, self, etc
r00fie1
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Look at the cost to the NHS of respiratory diseases caused by exposure to pollution, principally the internal combustion engine.
Think also of the cost to the NHS of obesity as people have less exercise, spending time in front of computer screens and preferring to use their arzes to take them shopping rather than their feet.
r00fie1
Well-known member
Vaping nicotine is incomparable to using cigarettes.
Its not entirely dissimilar to using nicotine patches - which rely on absorption through the skin to achieve the same effect.
The objective is to discourage the chemical craving engendered in the use of cigarettes.
Jedi boro
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That’s certainly the theory the vape industry is pushing but as I say no one really knows as we just don’t have the data for long term use.
The other view of yours is this
Common side effects of vaping include dry mouth, coughing, nausea and headaches. Serious long-term side effects of vaping include an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, lung damage, lung disease, seizures, and nicotine addiction and poisoning.
But as I said no one really knows to what extent.
Jedi boro
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Here
Due to the lack of data around the long-term safety profile of electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes), the National Cancer Institute has issued grant P50CA180890 to further the research. These products have already been linked to blood vessel damage, and experts who treat lung cancer have raised concern about e-cigarettes and their correlation with lung cancer risk.1,2
The FDA also recently published general safety concerns including what risks one should be aware of if using e-cigarettes, vaporizers, or other tobacco products. While studies suggest e-cigarettes may be less harmful than combustible cigarettes, the FDA notes that there is not yet enough evidence to support claims that e-cigarettes and other electronic nicotine delivery systems are effective tools for smoking cessation.3
www.targetedonc.com
Due to the lack of data around the long-term safety profile of electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes), the National Cancer Institute has issued grant P50CA180890 to further the research. These products have already been linked to blood vessel damage, and experts who treat lung cancer have raised concern about e-cigarettes and their correlation with lung cancer risk.1,2
The FDA also recently published general safety concerns including what risks one should be aware of if using e-cigarettes, vaporizers, or other tobacco products. While studies suggest e-cigarettes may be less harmful than combustible cigarettes, the FDA notes that there is not yet enough evidence to support claims that e-cigarettes and other electronic nicotine delivery systems are effective tools for smoking cessation.3
Unknown Long-Term Effects of E-Cigarettes Generates Questions in Lung Cancer
While information has come out stating the negative effects of e-cigarettes on lung health, questions regarding the longer-term safety of these products remain due to their limited timespan on the market.
r00fie1
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The use of nicotine to discourage the use of cigarettes has been NHS policy for decades - supported by NHS England.
Jedi boro
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But there isnt evidence of that happening as it’s not a step down it’s just replacing one with another.
the FDA notes that there is not yet enough evidence to support claims that e-cigarettes and other electronic nicotine delivery systems are effective tools for smoking cessation.3
r00fie1
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It is a "stepdown" and there is peer-supported meta-data which provides overwhelming substantive evidence, which is the reason why NHS England developed the policy and devised a strategy to roll out smoking-cessation advice and nicotine substitutes.
Quicksilvera
Well-known member
That’s just misdirection though? We are talking about the effects of vaping. Children and adults breathing in sweet smoke with chemicals in its makeup is a very very bad idea and to say it’s not as bad as smoking isn’t the answer.Look at the cost to the NHS of respiratory diseases caused by exposure to pollution, principally the internal combustion engine.
Think also of the cost to the NHS of obesity as people have less exercise, spending time in front of computer screens and preferring to use their arzes to take them shopping rather than their feet.
Laughing
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If you aregoing to use the fda for your evidence Jedi, you need to also consider the different legislation between the us and uk. They are not really the same products.Here
Due to the lack of data around the long-term safety profile of electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes), the National Cancer Institute has issued grant P50CA180890 to further the research. These products have already been linked to blood vessel damage, and experts who treat lung cancer have raised concern about e-cigarettes and their correlation with lung cancer risk.1,2
The FDA also recently published general safety concerns including what risks one should be aware of if using e-cigarettes, vaporizers, or other tobacco products. While studies suggest e-cigarettes may be less harmful than combustible cigarettes, the FDA notes that there is not yet enough evidence to support claims that e-cigarettes and other electronic nicotine delivery systems are effective tools for smoking cessation.3
Unknown Long-Term Effects of E-Cigarettes Generates Questions in Lung Cancer
While information has come out stating the negative effects of e-cigarettes on lung health, questions regarding the longer-term safety of these products remain due to their limited timespan on the market.
Whilst long term effects are, perhaps not known, we are not in the same position we were in with conventional cigarettes back in the 60's. We have moved forward significantly from a scientific data gathering and analysis, if nothing else, just because of the proliferation of computing.
Big data is used everywhere.
Peppery_John
Active member
Yes scum culture the shops the fakes aimed at kids the ones filled with all sorts nasties smuggled into the country not tested and highly toxic
It’s mainly organised crime behind it as well.
Scum culture
What we know so far: Illegal vapes and fake tobacco seized in series of shop raids
Illegal vapes, tobacco, and bottles of alcohol have been seized from shops across Southampton by police and Southampton City Councilwww.dailyecho.co.uk
Would you like to include the government as legalised crime too? you can attach the scum label as well.
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Vapes are not nicotine substitutes and their target market is no longer lifelong smokers trying to quit. Their purpose is to recruit new generations of nicotine addicts. They may be less harmful to the user than conventional cigs (we don't know yet), but they perpetuate and magnify nicotine addiction. They are harmful, particularly to young people. The leading manufacturer in the US, Juul, has paid out $1 billion in settlements for promoting nicotine addiction to minors.
Laughing
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I guess there would have to be a legal definition of what long term refers to and how much data is required to start to make solid clinical observations.
I don't know the answer to those questions. They may be vailable somewhere, but without clinical evidence to back that assertion you don't really know either. In addition, for most smokers vaping is less dangerous. I do agree with younger people starting to vape who never smoked.
In the uk if you are over 16, you, alomost without exception, smoked before you vaped. The alarming figures are in the 12-16 year old cohort. A significant percentage never smoked, 28% if my memory is working.That should be addressed with legislation and enforcement, not stopping ex-smokers from vaping.
r00fie1
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Trying to make a comparison and thinking of "big picture" in the scale of things.
I prefer not to savour the sickly odour of canabbis, Rothmans Cambridge, vapes or someone else`s farts.
I also prefer to walk down the street without coughing my guts up when someone thinks they are "entitled" because they have four wheels under their back-sides.
Big picture.
All these issues are for as reason: £££££
Big companies make big profits out of destroying our peoples health and we pay for their profits through the public cost to the NHS.
Follow the money.........
If vaping is going to be banned we should do the same with gambling advertising and sponsorship in sport. It legitimises gambling in young minds......and can be a contributory factor to mental health issues and suicide.
Follow the money.......
I prefer not to savour the sickly odour of canabbis, Rothmans Cambridge, vapes or someone else`s farts.
I also prefer to walk down the street without coughing my guts up when someone thinks they are "entitled" because they have four wheels under their back-sides.
Big picture.
All these issues are for as reason: £££££
Big companies make big profits out of destroying our peoples health and we pay for their profits through the public cost to the NHS.
Follow the money.........
If vaping is going to be banned we should do the same with gambling advertising and sponsorship in sport. It legitimises gambling in young minds......and can be a contributory factor to mental health issues and suicide.
Follow the money.......
r00fie1
Well-known member
Good afternoon.
Like the quote goes: "Follow the money"
As I posted above, addiction, be it gambling, nicotine, alcohol...etc.......is a profitable business.
Companies who push gambling on football shirts and all over sport. Companies that push the acceptance of alcohol and those who glorify vaping as being "cool" to kids dont give a monkeys.
Thing is.....how effective is a ban on vaping and/or education of children to the issues with vaping?
Would we expect this society we live in to enforce bans?
Our politicians are propped up and sponsored by the arzoles who push these things.......they`re not bothered who suffers.
£££££......
Like the quote goes: "Follow the money"
As I posted above, addiction, be it gambling, nicotine, alcohol...etc.......is a profitable business.
Companies who push gambling on football shirts and all over sport. Companies that push the acceptance of alcohol and those who glorify vaping as being "cool" to kids dont give a monkeys.
Thing is.....how effective is a ban on vaping and/or education of children to the issues with vaping?
Would we expect this society we live in to enforce bans?
Our politicians are propped up and sponsored by the arzoles who push these things.......they`re not bothered who suffers.
£££££......
Quicksilvera
Well-known member
Vehicles are a necessity and making/vaping absolutely isn’t.