Villa have competition for Rogers

£15m might be brilliant business financially, but do we actually want to get promoted? Selling to the first decent bid only serves to weaken the squad, particularly with only a couple of days left to do any business all the while having selling clubs know we've got money. Look at last summer when we lost all our best players because they were loanees. We won't progress on the pitch if we keep losing talent every window. We can still make money without selling all the family silver.
We absolutely have to keep him until the summer and then reassess.
 
dooderooni said:
£15m might be brilliant business financially, but do we actually want to get promoted? Selling to the first decent bid only serves to weaken the squad, particularly with only a couple of days left to do any business all the while having selling clubs know we've got money. Look at last summer when we lost all our best players because they were loanees. We won't progress on the pitch if we keep losing talent every window. We can still make money without selling all the family silver.
We absolutely have to keep him until the summer and then reassess.
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Carrick did say that he didn’t want us to be seen as some sort of extended academy, so I am sure everything will be weighed up.
 
AytonMews said:
Let’s be honest, he’s only started to look a proper player in the last month. And still only has 2 league goals all season.

It would be a big gamble from the club to turn down £15m for him now, in the hope he scores 20 goals next season and becomes a £25m player.

As said above, we’ll have to trust Carrick’s judgement on that.
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I personally think Rogers has looked good from the beginning, things often just need time for it to click with the rest of his team mates.
 
Been a strange old season this one. Promised so much but inconsistent form and stacks of injuries have ruined us this season. So, my point would be that were we up fighting for an automatic position I think there is no way we'd sell MR right now.

But the reality is, we are going to have to slug it out to try and scrape in 5th or 6th.

Getting £15m + in now balances the books for the best part of another season for ffp. So should mean that we don't need to lose any more and can invest in 2 maybe 3 quality additions, which we are going to need for a big promotion push next year.
 
The contradictions are hard to understand. If Alex Scott was only worth X amount because he'd played loads more games, or Bowen because he'd scored more goals, the think about it a little bit.

He's just started playing, what? 15 games or something? So why take 15 million.

He's clearly going to be very useful at this level minimum. So let him play six months/ a years worth of games, score more goals and demand 25-30 million when he's not he'd another ten goals, or performed well fo another thirty games.

It doesn't make sense to say sell him now for 15 million. We can't demand more because he hasn't proven it for long enough.

Let him prove it then and get true value in today's ridiculously inflated game. Clearly our fans have no nerve or belief in the players ability.


He has the ability and he will improve. Even if he continues as he is, then those clubs will still be interested as he will have proved it for longer.


Barring some career threatening injury which is a risk with any player, there is zero downside to keeping him unless the offer is something extremely inflated like 25m.

15m plus add ons In a rapidly inflating market is absolutely nothing. Especially when we lose creativity and goals. Those pointing to the league aren't being particularly fair on that one, he's scored in the cup plenty and those where were most of his appearances initially came.

He will score in the championship.

Hope the club stand firm to what they believe his value is.
 
InglebyUTB said:
I personally think Rogers has looked good from the beginning, things often just need time for it to click with the rest of his team mates.
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Me too. Players with physical attributes like pace and power stand out more easily. You have to look a bit more closely at Rogers to see his qualities and he relies somewhat on players around him to make intelligent runs or play quick and accurate return passes but he definitely has something more than most players of his age and experience.
 
Borodrew said:
The contradictions are hard to understand. If Alex Scott was only worth X amount because he'd played loads more games, or Bowen because he'd scored more goals, the think about it a little bit.

He's just started playing, what? 15 games or something? So why take 15 million.

He's clearly going to be very useful at this level minimum. So let him play six months/ a years worth of games, score more goals and demand 25-30 million when he's not he'd another ten goals, or performed well fo another thirty games.

It doesn't make sense to say sell him now for 15 million. We can't demand more because he hasn't proven it for long enough.

Let him prove it then and get true value in today's ridiculously inflated game. Clearly our fans have no nerve or belief in the players ability.


He has the ability and he will improve. Even if he continues as he is, then those clubs will still be interested as he will have proved it for longer.


Barring some career threatening injury which is a risk with any player, there is zero downside to keeping him unless the offer is something extremely inflated like 25m.

15m plus add ons In a rapidly inflating market is absolutely nothing. Especially when we lose creativity and goals. Those pointing to the league aren't being particularly fair on that one, he's scored in the cup plenty and those where were most of his appearances initially came.

He will score in the championship.

Hope the club stand firm to what they believe his value is.
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The thing I don’t understand about posts like this is that a players value is determined firstly by what someone is willing to pay for them and secondly what the selling club is willing to sell them for. Without the first, the second is irrelevant.

It wild to assume Roger’s value can only go up. It’s a gamble. I doubt anyone on this forum would have predicted a £15m bid for him in this window, as it was so unlikely. Say Villa move on from this and move onto their next target - they’re not going to come back in the summer then are they? Then how many other clubs are going to bid to anywhere near that value? There is probably atleast half a dozen players more valuable to us than Roger’s in the team. If it means we don’t have to sell one of them in the summer, it’s fair play to all parties is we can get an agreeable fee at this point.
 
Air Resistance said:
The thing I don’t understand about posts like this is that a players value is determined firstly by what someone is willing to pay for them and secondly what the selling club is willing to sell them for. Without the first, the second is irrelevant.

It wild to assume Roger’s value can only go up. It’s a gamble. I doubt anyone on this forum would have predicted a £15m bid for him in this window, as it was so unlikely. Say Villa move on from this and move onto their next target - they’re not going to come back in the summer then are they? Then how many other clubs are going to bid to anywhere near that value? There is probably atleast half a dozen players more valuable to us than Roger’s in the team. If it means we don’t have to sell one of them in the summer, it’s fair play to all parties is we can get an agreeable fee at this point.
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Totally agree 100%.
 
If Danksy says to Villa:
Ere lads.
We'll trade Rogers + Ten Million if you give us Archer.
You'll make your money on buy-back from Blades.
Done deal.
OK.
The Ansell's bitter's on its way (y)
 
Air Resistance said:
The thing I don’t understand about posts like this is that a players value is determined firstly by what someone is willing to pay for them and secondly what the selling club is willing to sell them for. Without the first, the second is irrelevant.

It wild to assume Roger’s value can only go up. It’s a gamble. I doubt anyone on this forum would have predicted a £15m bid for him in this window, as it was so unlikely. Say Villa move on from this and move onto their next target - they’re not going to come back in the summer then are they? Then how many other clubs are going to bid to anywhere near that value? There is probably atleast half a dozen players more valuable to us than Roger’s in the team. If it means we don’t have to sell one of them in the summer, it’s fair play to all parties is we can get an agreeable fee at this point.
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On balance I'd rather keep him to keep our chances of making the playoffs alive.
But your point about other clubs bidding anywhere near that value, West Ham bid 12.5m apparently 👍
 
Has anybody actually stopped and asked Morgan what he wants out of all this? 12 pages of treating him like he is some sort of piece of meat to sell.

Won’t somebody think of the kid?



(PS, gutted if he doe go, but great bit of business if it is 15m).
 
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Nobody wants to trade players like meat, but the whole of football is one big meat market these days.
Clubs outside the Prem rely on them if they want to buy one of their players.
Often, Premier clubs try to pluck players cheaply, unless the selling club has some clout.
We have clout.
But we also have to balance the books and have money to reinvest.
If Rogers is “pushing” to join Villa [as reported on various platforms] we can negotiate a deal that's to our benefit.

£15M would buy us a second squad, and we've bluddy needed one at times!
Perhaps a mobile hospital and a fleet of ambulances too?
 
InglebyUTB said:
I personally think Rogers has looked good from the beginning, things often just need time for it to click with the rest of his team mates.
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Agreed, he was out of position in the first four games and ok didn’t look like scoring himself but he put four or five chances on a plate for team mates that fluffed their lines.

He was still effective.

It’s a dilemma with Rogers. He could be worth 20m in the summer and 25 in a year. He’s unlikely to be worth more than that without playing in the prem.

But there are no guarantees he will develop, but signs are good. He could also get a bad injury and be worth very little.

He is integral to the team today, but we could sign 2 or 3 high quality young players for 4-5m each in replacement (we still have some summer budget left). There is an issue though, we have a limited squad size, so we have to take that into account. I’m sure the club have targets and have been accelerating that over the last week.

It’s a dilemma but a positive one. If he stays we have a very highly rated young forward, if he goes then we’ve got a massive budget to reinvest by championship standards
 
BoroMart said:
Agreed, he was out of position in the first four games and ok didn’t look like scoring himself but he put four or five chances on a plate for team mates that fluffed their lines.

He was still effective.

It’s a dilemma with Rogers. He could be worth 20m in the summer and 25 in a year. He’s unlikely to be worth more than that without playing in the prem.

But there are no guarantees he will develop, but signs are good. He could also get a bad injury and be worth very little.

He is integral to the team today, but we could sign 2 or 3 high quality young players for 4-5m each in replacement (we still have some summer budget left). There is an issue though, we have a limited squad size, so we have to take that into account. I’m sure the club have targets and have been accelerating that over the last week.

It’s a dilemma but a positive one. If he stays we have a very highly rated young forward, if he goes then we’ve got a massive budget to reinvest by championship standards
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when have we ever managed that. its fantasy
 
lostinyorkshire said:
when have we ever managed that. its fantasy
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Not sure it is - I know our recruitment has been extremely hit and miss historically, but we literally just turned £12m for Chuba into Dieng (£2m), RVDB (£500k), Rogers (£1m), Azaz (£2.5m), Engel (£1.5m), Bangura (£500k), Silvera (£1m), Glover (free) and let's for arguments sake spend the remaining £3m on loans for O'Brien, Ayling, Greenwood and Thomas.
 
£15 million plus is a good deal all round. It gives the club flexibility in relation to FFP and makes the move possible for the player.

Rogers doesn’t seem the type to kick off publicly but I suspect he wants the move to happen. Boro turning down £15 million, risks the relationship with the player turning sour. Just because it’s football doesn’t mean the employer can act like a d*ck.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Rogers also has 100 senior games under his belt. He’s been very highly rated for several years. He’s now starting to show signs of his potential at senior level. I just get the sense that this is Boro ‘cashing in’ a bit too early.

Obviously if the club has a player or two lined up and ready to go and they’re dependent on Rogers leaving to do that business then perhaps that would change things but I can’t see that happening.

Just my opinion, obvs, but this all feels a little rushed tbh. £12.5m seems a bit cheap.
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If he’s been so highly rated for several years how come we bought him gif so cheap

The way people are banging on you’d think he was a shoe in to be the next England star

He has potential, has been the best player on the pitch on occasions. He is also widely inconsistent. They’re is no guarantee he finds consistency or fulfils his potential
 
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