Warnock relying on goodwill to keep him as manager

Nobby_Barnes said:
I was mocked when I said we would beat Barnsley and Peterborough to get back on track and we went a step further and beat Cardiff as well....Anyone with half a brain can see that Warnock is getting there. First half was excellent. Injuries and fatigue taking their toll in the second.
Some people simply have to be negative all of the time...
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Have a look back through my posts, I am rarely negative. However, anyone who can take any positives from the last two games must only have half a brain also.

And with respect, West Brom will be an entirely different proposition to anything else we've played this season. There is a reason why them, Bournemouth and Fulham are streets ahead of everyone else. They all have loads of money and all have good young managers who can play the modern way. We are the opposite.
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
What happens when we beat WBA, do the negative brigade crawl back under their rocks again ?
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Nobby_Barnes said:
I was mocked when I said we would beat Barnsley and Peterborough to get back on track and we went a step further and beat Cardiff as well....Anyone with half a brain can see that Warnock is getting there. First half was excellent. Injuries and fatigue taking their toll in the second.
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I think you are making a rod for your own back here. You'd have to be blind and deaf to think Boro are going anywhere but into a world of sh**.
 
uncle_rico said:
Have a look back through my posts, I am rarely negative.
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same, as far as the boro go, I'm generally a positive person that feels we can gain promotion, or play offs, I never go into a season in teh championship expecting us to be bottom 8
 
To be fair to Warnock, (from someone who would prefer to call him "Colin") I believe he is being asked to perform a very difficult task, to prepare the club and the squad for a more structured approach to recruitment, youth policy, training, squad structure, etc., that will be put in place by a new regime taking up the reins next season. You can see that in some of the players bought, obvious example is Martin Payero about as far from a "Warnock Player" as it is possible to imagine, Siliki too. Ball playing midfielders. So he has to try to integrate players into the team that are unsuited to it whilst maintaining the posture of pushing for promotion. It's a thankless task.

Let's let him do his best (assuming we don't end up in the relegation dog fight) think of it as the restructuring that might take place after relegation without having to suffer the relegation.
 
'First half was excellent'

It wasn't at all. We were leading but were looking vulnerable.

Warnock's done a decent job in keeping us up, but that was his best spell as our manager. If he keeps us up again then I'll be happy enough and we can start a new chapter in this division with a clear out still required.

We haven't got a good squad of players, it's a big squad but too much mediocrity in it. A smaller quad of decent players supplemented by youngsters is what we can afford, we haven't got that nucleus of decent players.

Warnock's struggling to bring together a team due to that but he's tactically inept, he's bullied his way out of this division in the past but we haven't any players with bullying characteristics in the squad, other than Bamba and he's too old now.

We've got a weakened defence, last night Dijksteel came back from injury so we had a good right back in the side, what does he do, he drops Peltier, who has had a half decent spell at left back and moves McNair over who turns like a carthorse and is very right sided and played two wingers as wing backs. Why not go for the four at the back, keep it simple, two central midfielders who can get up and down the pitch and a couple of strikers?

Whenever he goes for the clever stuff we struggle, we aren't a team of battlers who can play anywhere but he's picking a side as if we are.
 
Muttley said:
To be fair to Warnock, (from someone who would prefer to call him "Colin") I believe he is being asked to perform a very difficult task, to prepare the club and the squad for a more structured approach to recruitment, youth policy, training, squad structure, etc., that will be put in place by a new regime taking up the reins next season. You can see that in some of the players bought, obvious example is Martin Payero about as far from a "Warnock Player" as it is possible to imagine, Siliki too. Ball playing midfielders. So he has to try to integrate players into the team that are unsuited to it whilst maintaining the posture of pushing for promotion. It's a thankless task.

Let's let him do his best (assuming we don't end up in the relegation dog fight) think of it as the restructuring that might take place after relegation without having to suffer the relegation.
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So its yet another 'transition' season is it? We've had more transitions than a night in Old Compton Street.
 
I'm just annoyed that we now have a manager in that has pedigree of getting teams out of this league and we look nothing like a team that's getting out of this league.

What is it with Boro and managers, nobody we seem to get in can get our team playing regardless of who the players are. OK Karanka did a fairly decent job, but it seems the place was toxic at the time and went sour. Why?

What is it with us? Fk knows what the answer is TBH.
 
Ironops said:
So its yet another 'transition' season is it? We've had more transitions than a night in Old Compton Street.
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That's the way I saw it at the start of the season. I don't see any reason to change my opinion based on how and who we have been recruiting. I think that we need a proper top to bottom shake up, the sort that Gibson imagined Tony Pullis would do (and failed to even start).

It's overdue.
 
London_Boro said:
I'm just annoyed that we now have a manager in that has pedigree of getting teams out of this league and we look nothing like a team that's getting out of this league.
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I think his pedigree is over stated, he's had 3 promotions in a quarter of a century. Every single time he's lost his job within 6 months of being in the prem. Because he doesn't know how to manage against tactical managers.

The championship is now far more tactical than it was 20, 10, even 5 years ago, which is why we are struggling. Cardiff is his season that bucked the trend, he was lucky enough to have some top championship defenders, lots of experience, and basically 1-0 his way to promotion, he can set a defense up, I'll give him that. But attacking play is just free kicks, corners, and lumping it forward to the big man....we don't really have a championship quality big man
 
BoroMart said:
I think his pedigree is over stated, he's had 3 promotions in a quarter of a century. Every single time he's lost his job within 6 months of being in the prem. Because he doesn't know how to manage against tactical managers.

The championship is now far more tactical than it was 20, 10, even 5 years ago, which is why we are struggling. Cardiff is his season that bucked the trend, he was lucky enough to have some top championship defenders, lots of experience, and basically 1-0 his way to promotion, he can set a defense up, I'll give him that. But attacking play is just free kicks, corners, and lumping it forward to the big man....we don't really have a championship quality big man
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I agree with this, even in the short period since his last promotion the league has moved on dramatically. Parachute payments are making it even harder to compete and there are a few specialist "yo-yo" teams best poised for the promotion/relegation cycle.

Quality of managerial opposition is probably stronger as well. There are some very good footballing sides in this division, I'm just pleased that with the appointment of Scott we seem to have understood that we need to be one of them going forward!
 
'So its yet another 'transition' season is it?'

No, just another where we're not good enough to challenge for the top spots. There's only two automatic and another four for the play offs, the current set up aren't good enough for either.

It is what it is.
 
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