Alexander Supertramp
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If you don’t think Warnock was holding us back, just look at the form table
Warnock was holding us back
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newyddion
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It doesn’t make a difference t how the squad stands today. You were on about folks saying that players we’re not brought at Warnock’s request. Crooks has been a player that the Warnock out brigade have been wanting to jump on.. shame he’s been class and remains to be class under Wilder.
Chris Wilder is the manager now and doing a great job, looking forward to seeing a few adirikms in January and having a good go at the playoffs.
Diego
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I think the majority of the Warnock ‘out brigade’ otherwise knows as Boro fans absolutely love Matt Crooks. He’s been quality and probably my favourite current player. I can give credit to the signing but also realise we were going nowhere with Warnock.
viv_andersons_nana
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I thought Warnock should’ve been replaced earlier but certainly wasn’t waiting for Crooks, or anyone else, to fail. Crooks has been class since day one IMO. Watmore, Jones, Bola, Coburn, Dijksteel, keeping us up. There’s plenty to credit Warnock with, to give him praise for.
I just don’t understand why people are so determined to fight the cause of a manager who had quite clearly taken the team as far as he could. In fact we’d started to go backwards.
viv_andersons_nana
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If it doesn’t make a difference how the squad stands now then why did you mention that Warnock had built it? Warnock had access to this group of players. A different manager is getting more out of them. It’s as simple as good coaching and proper organisation IMO. We’re a progressive team now, you can see what they’re working on and towards. With Warnock there was little or nothing.
newyddion
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Two entirely different seasons with different players. We sputtered out at the end of last season for a number of reasons, injuries, contracts ending etc
Dijksteel—Fry—Hall—Bola all being out at the start of this season effected us. Warnock said it wasn’t our defence part protecting his players and part probably defending the decision to send Spence out on loan as that decision looks worse and worse over time.
Howson—Bamba—McNair—Peltier
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Spence.. sounds like he’s coming back into the squad. If he performs it will make the decision to get rid of Warnock better and better over time.
newyddion
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Equally so why be so determined to slag off our last manager? I like Wilder and having Dijksteel and Fry back in the team is certainly makes a big difference.
ForssAwakens
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Semantics, ‘no doubt in my mind’ is personal to me, my opinion
‘obviously’ infers everyone should be of that opinion
viv_andersons_nana
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Is it slagging him off to say he’d ran out of ideas, lost his way, taken it is as far as he could, etc? I’m not sure it is, is it? Critical maybe, but not really slagging him off. Not in the way he slagged off officials, for example.
I’m someone who really enjoyed the first 6-7 months of his tenure. Equally I think he should’ve been replaced in the summer. For me it’s that simple. The squad was always capable of competing for the playoffs this season. That wouldn’t have happened under Warnock IMO.
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Adi_Dem
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The only determination it seems to me is to overstate the previous manager’s achievements. That is being rightly questioned because he was very clearly getting worse the more time passed.
That made me smile. Only one is us is reducing this to semantics and it isn’t me!
The only determination it seems to me is to overstate the previous manager’s achievements. That is being rightly questioned because he was very clearly getting worse the more time passed.
That made me smile. Only one is us is reducing this to semantics and it isn’t me!
ForssAwakens
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I’m not reducing it to semantics, I’m showing you how our statements are different after you implied they were the same.
Rofesleg
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Not true. They weren't all out at the start of this season.
And I think we actually won the few games that Howson, Bamba, McNair & Peltier played together.
coluka
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The near hatred by some towards Neil on here is so incredibly disrespectful. The man saved our club from the ignominy of third tier football. If that had of happened, we would have seen several of our present squad disappear for peanuts, and we would have been in trouble. The players themselves were sorry to see him go in many respects, look how they fought at WBA knowing he was gone. The reason the second season fell away was mainly due to injuries, suspensions, ridiculous red cards in games that were subsequently overturned and generally terrible refereeing, coupled with a thin and unbalanced squad and little money to rebuild. I said at the start of this season we would be the team that improved as this season went on given all the player changes, time to settle etc.
Wilder was the person I wanted to replace him. It came sooner than I wanted or expected, but I am pleased he is here, but the job Neil did in the circumstances asked of him was decent, to solely blame him for some poor performances or make out he was holding us back is a cheap shot, yes he has his faults, but i guess when you don’t know some of what he had to deal with or have some prejudices then it is to be expected i guess. By all means get behind our new manager who is building on the solid foundation inherited, but lets respect what Neil did to halt the slide, improve the squad, sort out the dead wood and leave a solid foundation for Wilder to build from. Not too dissimilar to Mogga’s time in charge in some respects.
Wilder was the person I wanted to replace him. It came sooner than I wanted or expected, but I am pleased he is here, but the job Neil did in the circumstances asked of him was decent, to solely blame him for some poor performances or make out he was holding us back is a cheap shot, yes he has his faults, but i guess when you don’t know some of what he had to deal with or have some prejudices then it is to be expected i guess. By all means get behind our new manager who is building on the solid foundation inherited, but lets respect what Neil did to halt the slide, improve the squad, sort out the dead wood and leave a solid foundation for Wilder to build from. Not too dissimilar to Mogga’s time in charge in some respects.
TeaCider
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He knows that, he's used the same argument repeatedly and been shown he's wrong repeatedly.
It's getting to the point where I think he's trolling.
Diego
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Hatred is a strong word. It’s clear he was holding us back because Wilder is getting out so much more of the same players. I think Warnocks main faults were his slamming of his own players and praising his favourites every game. Then there was constantly playing players out of position. He should be respected for keeping us up but that’s as far as it goes for me as most of his work after that was pretty average to poor. Although he has helped make some useful signings especially Crooks and Watmore. The reason for this thread was the constant same posters going on about how good we were under Warnock when we just weren’t and now he’s gone look where we are with the same players. We are unrecognisable. As I say, he held us back. Thankfully we now have in my opinion the best manager in the division.
Adi_Dem
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Thereby reducing it to semantics.
Rofesleg
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I thank him and respect him for saving us from relegation and for stabilising the club in the first 6 months of the next season.
What I don't accept is the insistence that he worked a miracle in avoiding relegation, or that the terrible results in 2021 were nothing to do with him, or that injuries prevented him from ever playing his preferred defenders, or that it wasn't the correct time to appoint a new manager, or that his record was comparable to Karanka's.