Warnock was holding us back

newyddion said:
Injuries to Dijksteel, Fry and Bola were holding us back.
I’m loving how Wilder has us playing.

Warnock to Wilder reminds me of the transition from Mowbray to Karanka
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The football we played under Mowbray (at its best, mind) reminds me more of the football we're playing now. Karanka's while certainly nothing like Warnock's style was a lot more conservative. Although I agree on the transition and laying of foundations. Wanting it to work but it just not quite clicking.

If Wilder can actually blend an attractive, possession based, front foot style that Mowbray so badly wanted us to play with something like the effectiveness that Aitor brought then CW will indeed be the best manager we've had in some time.

I hope the finances fall right, the behind the scenes relationships stay strong (something he seems to appreciate based on his immediate understanding of the part Leo can play, even if only to create that connection between the team and fans*) and we get that drop like the one that fell to Sporar the other night and that bobble that jumped up for their lad a little more often this season. If these things come together we have a fighters chance.

*I'm not at all saying that's all Leo does in a belittling NW kinda way whatsoever but I think Wilder is smart enough to know that the more tribal fans who often create and sustain home atmospheres have a love for Leo and seeing them hit it off will definitely help.

I haven't felt especially connected to the team since the promotion season really. I'm glad someone who was part of that and understands that siege mentality we created so often at home can come back should covid allow it.

If CW gets us playing like that then people will come and watch the boro.
 
newyddion said:
Injuries to Dijksteel, Fry and Bola were holding us back.
I’m loving how Wilder has us playing.

Warnock to Wilder reminds me of the transition from Mowbray to Karanka
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Wilders brand of passing front foot organised football and developing this steely mentality is more alongside it is better than karankas brand of football never mind Warnock !
 
Nosmo-King said:
Different mind set completely. Different tactics - showing we do have footballers with a skill set to worry other teams. Totally different. I did like Warnock but it was patently obvious we were going nowhere under his stewardship
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Perfectly put even though I liked Warnock.
I always thought we had a good bunch of footballers (and said so on here many times) but even I thought we lacked leadership on the field and we’re weak mentally
Wilder has proven Warnock to be wrong and actually show him that he was the weak link because he couldn’t get out of this talented group what wilder is getting
 
Warnock done an amazing job keeping us in the division and we should be forever grateful for that.

However this season he was a manager not building for the future and his team selections were purely to win the next match, there was no long term plan or method. As soon as that became clear, he had to go.

Wilder has come in and everyone can see he has a plan and method, A hunger that unfortunately Warnock just never had in the end.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
The man who kept us in this division.

Sure he wasn't up to the way the game has developed but he kept us up and left us with the squad we have now.

A bit more respect?
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A couple of points

1. Warnock was whinging about recruitment about how some of the players weren't his choice and he repeatedly left an empty slot on the bench to show we were short on bodies rather than let one of the youths experience the first team matchday routine.

2. "Warnock Ball" or the variation of it he played in the last ten months or so of his tenure was dreadful to watch and largely unproductive

I think we are seeing a better harmonisation of recruitment and playing style. This isn't Warnock's fault but rather a feature of his transitional role (he was never the long term solution). So respect for the achievement of keeping us in this division is duly given but I'm afraid that he hung around too long and he had to go.
 
There was things I liked about Warnock and things I didn't really like. For me the biggest downfall was the fact he couldn't commit long term, it seemed like a short term rolling contract which was good when he came in to steady the ship, but long term it must of been a difficult situation for the players with no longer term stability and also it must of been a situation for Mr Gibson where he wanted to succeed but was slightly reluctant to put his money into investing in players the manager wanted when that manger wouldn't be here come the end of the season and the players brought in May not fit the new managers requirements. Under the circumstances I don't think Warnock did a terrible job, I just think that things couldn't gel and move forward without a long term vision and plan, also once Scott came in and the club where working to a longterm plan it was inevitable that a short term manager wouldn't really fit the bill. I feel that had Warnock had us at least competing for a play off place he would of been given until the end of the season, as it was we where stagnating and the manager we wanted was available and also rumours other teams looking to bring him in therefore plans where brought forward. I have no ill will towards Warnock and I can't in good conscience disrespect him, but I just don't think it was working out and the correct decision was made.
 
I'm just relieved that visiting officials are not looking to repay wilder for the dogs abuse he has given them from the touchline..
Human nature dictates that the refs will Try to poke it up warnock at every chance
Wilder is respected for his relationships with officials it seems and his general ability to get on with those around him ....without being a fanny...he is the most perfect fit for our club in my opinion since rioch
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Chrissy wilders red and white army
 
Chris_Boro said:
Warnock done an amazing job keeping us in the division and we should be forever grateful for that.

However this season he was a manager not building for the future and his team selections were purely to win the next match, there was no long term plan or method. As soon as that became clear, he had to go.

Wilder has come in and everyone can see he has a plan and method, A hunger that unfortunately Warnock just never had in the end.
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He didn’t do an amazing job. He took a squad that should have been nowhere near relegation, won a few games and we stayed up. Any remotely competent manager would have done the same.

He was disingenuous, his interviews were harmful and divisive, he played dreadful football, made dreadful decisions and was taking us backwards. He gets precisely the amount of respect from me that he deserves which is that he did ok to keep us up and I’m grateful for that but following that season was poor.
 
Not one for piling in on a manager when he is gone but Warnock was an awful manager. Heregularly threw players under the bus, for no real reason, I could see, whilst defending his favourites.

The players couldn't last for 90 minutes, that in itself is a disgrace.

He continually played players out of position.

Finally, and probably most importantly, for me, used my club to support this fiasco of a government. So nope, no respect from me, I am afraid.
 
Ian Bairds Ears said:
I'm just relieved that visiting officials are not looking to repay wilder for the dogs abuse he has given them from the touchline..
Human nature dictates that the refs will Try to poke it up warnock at every chance
Wilder is respected for his relationships with officials it seems and his general ability to get on with those around him ....without being a fanny...he is the most perfect fit for our club in my opinion since rioch
Love it..utfb
Chrissy wilders red and white army
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Ian - I was trying to decide which Manager role he "fitted" in our history....and Rioch rings true.
He is clearly a man with a vision and is already doing what he says and says what he means. (y)

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Adi_Dem said:
He didn’t do an amazing job. He took a squad that should have been nowhere near relegation, won a few games and we stayed up. Any remotely competent manager would have done the same.

He was disingenuous, his interviews were harmful and divisive, he played dreadful football, made dreadful decisions and was taking us backwards. He gets precisely the amount of respect from me that he deserves which is that he did ok to keep us up and I’m grateful for that but following that season was poor.
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The team was a mess heading for certain relegation, most "competent" managers wouldn't go near us in that state, let alone pull them together to win those few games.

You can stay whatever after that, and most I agree with, but keeping us up in the state we were in was a minor miracle and Warnock has to be credited for that because he was the one to front up and did it, not these other invisible hypothetical competent managers.
 
Chris_Boro said:
The team was a mess heading for certain relegation, most "competent" managers wouldn't go near us in that state, let alone pull them together to win those few games.

You can stay whatever after that, and most I agree with, but keeping us up in the state we were in was a minor miracle and Warnock has to be credited for that because he was the one to front up and did it, not these other invisible hypothetical competent managers.
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Sorry but I think this is a load of rubbish. We would have still been an attractive proposition for any manager at that stage. We weren't in the relegation zone, we had an underperforming team and squad and had 8 games left to play. To argue keeping us up from this position was a minor miracle is hyperbolic and rewrites history in my opinion:

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I agree with adi as the fear was that we would get sucked into the relegation fight as we were so awful.
 
Adi_Dem said:
Sorry but I think this is a load of rubbish. We would have still been an attractive proposition for any manager at that stage. We weren't in the relegation zone, we had an underperforming team and squad and had 8 games left to play. To argue keeping us up from this position was a minor miracle is hyperbolic and rewrites history in my opinion:

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Hyperbolic more than posting a snap shot of a league table to prove some kind of point that we were not it a utterly dire situation?

We were a million miles from being an attractive proposition to any decent manager and were only above the relegation zone at that point down to the December run of wins, we were in total free fall after with a team who's confidence was shot to pieces.

Charlton, Huddersfield and Luton all went on good late runs with us only finishing above Wigan due to their points deduction. Making it out like it was a cake walk does your argument no merit.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Hyperbolic more than posting a snap shot of a league table to prove some kind of point that we were not it a utterly dire situation?

We were a million miles from being an attractive proposition to any decent manager and were only above the relegation zone at that point down to the December run of wins, we were in total free fall after with a team who's confidence was shot to pieces.

Charlton, Huddersfield and Luton all went on good late runs with us only finishing above Wigan due to their points deduction. Making it out like it was a cake walk does your argument no merit.
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I am not sure it is hyperbolic to show a picture of the league table when he took over and to point out that we weren't in the relegation zone. Both statements are absolutely true. Describing staying up as a "minor miracle" is definitely hyperbolic though. It is also an exaggeration to say that I in any way thought it was an easy job or a 'cake walk'. It wasn't and I have in this thread said that he deserves credit for keeping us up. What I don't agree with though is the notion that it was a minor miracle to keep us up and that few managers would have touched us with a bargepole.
 
Adi_Dem said:
I am not sure it is hyperbolic to show a picture of the league table when he took over and to point out that we weren't in the relegation zone. Both statements are absolutely true. Describing staying up as a "minor miracle" is definitely hyperbolic though. It is also an exaggeration to say that I in any way thought it was an easy job or a 'cake walk'. It wasn't and I have in this thread said that he deserves credit for keeping us up. What I don't agree with though is the notion that it was a minor miracle to keep us up and that few managers would have touched us with a bargepole.
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Yes it is, there's no context in posting a snap shot of the league table without also showing the form we were in.

In 8 games (half of which were against teams pushing for the playoffs) to turn around the team we had, playing the way we were and after one of the worst performances ever in getting beat 3 nil at home to Swansea after lockdown, added to those around us picking up points and form from nowhere was a minor miracle.

To state that any decent manager could do the same in those circumstances is just incorrect as most wouldn't even try letting alone succeed with our circumstances.

I'm not a fan of Warnock, his style or his actions but it was exactly what we needed at that time and for that has my respect.
 
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