We have made a lot of signings this window!

BoroPhil said:
we will have some benching issues if everyone (big if) stays fit

Assuming we sign Bangura and no-one else that is a 20 man squad of:

Dieng
Glover

Smith
Fry
Lenihan
Engel
Bangura
v d Berg
McNair

Howson
Hackney
O'Brien
Barlaser

Silvera
McGree
Rogers
Greenwood
Forss
Jones
Lath

That's Clarke, Dijksteel, Coulson, Crooks, Gilbert, Coburn not even making the bench.
Reduced opportunities for our u21s as well.
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looking at that first XI:

Dieng
Smith Fry Lenihan Engel
Hackeny O'Brien
Forss Rogers McGree
Lath


Subs:
GK Glover
DF McNair
DF VDB
DF Bangura
MF Howson
RW Jones
LW Silvera
10 Greenwood
CF Coburn

Stiffs: J Jones, Dijksteel, Clarke, Coulson, Barlaser, Crooks, Gilbert.

I'd send Gilbert out for 6 months as he ain't getting much game time if any.
 
BoroMart said:
looking at that first XI:

Dieng
Smith Fry Lenihan Engel
Hackeny O'Brien
Forss Rogers McGree
Lath


Subs:
GK Glover
DF McNair
DF VDB
DF Bangura
MF Howson
RW Jones
LW Silvera
10 Greenwood
CF Coburn

Stiffs: J Jones, Dijksteel, Clarke, Coulson, Barlaser, Crooks, Gilbert.

I'd send Gilbert out for 6 months as he ain't getting much game time if any.
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Yeah. It's a bit telling that he hasn't had a sniff yet.
 
Where's the next Teemu Pukki what a free transfer that proved for Norwich although they never cashed in on his success ... Norwich fans must be asking the same question!
 
JM14 said:
The two players we actually got good money for in Spence and Akpom weren’t because of some fantastic recruitment strategy by the club, we couldn’t even give them away for free the season before.

Spence was developed by another club and Akpom only got back in the squad because we had failed to bring another striker in. We got so lucky with those two, if it wasn’t for the funds they brought in the club would be in huge trouble now
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Of course it was down to the recruitment strategy. Signing low risk, low cost players that may work out or may not. The ones that work out either help push the squad on or are sold for big money, the ones that don't are discarded for as much of a fee as we can get. We've been working towards getting that right for years, ending up with the current recruitment team who seem to be getting things right based on the last 3 or 4 transfer windows. It's typical with Boro fans, when another club does it, it's a great strategy, if we do it, it's luck.

The Spence criticism is weird. He came through Fulham youth team and was released, we picked him up, developed him, gave him 2 seasons of first team football then loaned him out to put him in the shop window. That's not luck, we knew he had quality - we'd been developing it - we just didn't like his attitude.

No club can get every deal right. Look at the amount of players that Brighton and Brentford buy every season. Brighton signed about 8+ players every summer in the Championship, and 14 in the summer of their play off season. And they're the model we're trying to copy. Did they get big money for all 14 of those players? Did all 50+ players they signed over 5 years in the Championship go on to be a success? Of course not. But the point is that it only takes a handful to work out to improve the squad and 1 or 2 to bring in big money for it to be worth it.

Spence and Akpom covered every transfer from this and last season. And brought in more than 10 times what they cost. Spence was a very useful squad player for 1 and a half seasons. Akpom was the most important player last season. I don't know how that can be spun as a negative.
 
Pre Lewis O’Brien: Kinell man.. what are we playing at? We’ve signed no one. Gibson out, Carrick isn’t happy.. we’ve getting relegated.

Post Lewis O’Brien: How many players are we signing?!?! Jeez!! We’re really going for it!!
 
rbmfc1985 said:
Of course it was down to the recruitment strategy. Signing low risk, low cost players that may work out or may not. The ones that work out either help push the squad on or are sold for big money, the ones that don't are discarded for as much of a fee as we can get. We've been working towards getting that right for years, ending up with the current recruitment team who seem to be getting things right based on the last 3 or 4 transfer windows. It's typical with Boro fans, when another club does it, it's a great strategy, if we do it, it's luck.

The Spence criticism is weird. He came through Fulham youth team and was released, we picked him up, developed him, gave him 2 seasons of first team football then loaned him out to put him in the shop window. That's not luck, we knew he had quality - we'd been developing it - we just didn't like his attitude.

No club can get every deal right. Look at the amount of players that Brighton and Brentford buy every season. Brighton signed about 8+ players every summer in the Championship, and 14 in the summer of their play off season. And they're the model we're trying to copy. Did they get big money for all 14 of those players? Did all 50+ players they signed over 5 years in the Championship go on to be a success? Of course not. But the point is that it only takes a handful to work out to improve the squad and 1 or 2 to bring in big money for it to be worth it.

Spence and Akpom covered every transfer from this and last season. And brought in more than 10 times what they cost. Spence was a very useful squad player for 1 and a half seasons. Akpom was the most important player last season. I don't know how that can be spun as a negative.
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Come on, you can’t really be telling me the club can be taking credit for Spence and Akpom?

Spence was loaned out to get rid of him because we had zero intention of ever playing him again. Luckily he went to a club that used him properly

We didn’t even give Akpom a squad number and were trying to give him away for free. Luckily he only played because we failed to sign another striker

If it was down to the club, both players would have gone for free if we could find someone to take them
 
Alwaysaborolad said:
Your missing my point about quality over quantity.

21-22 season players added in the summer 21.......

James Léa Siliki, Toyosi Olusanya, Martin Payero, Sammy Ameobi, Andraž Šporar,
Uche Ikpeazu, Luke Daniels, Joe Lumley, Dejan Stojanovic, Onel Hernández, Lee Peltier, Matt Crooks, Lewis Wing. Dejan Stojanovic.

14 new players added to the squad, how many were a success? far too many mediocre players.. then you're stuck with a large squad, with only a few making the 1st team.
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JlS, Sporar, Hernandez were loans.

Olusanya was a development signing.

Stojanovic is on there twice.

Stonanovic and Daniels were back up goalkeepers

Peltier and Ameobi were frees on short term contracts. You've missed out Bamba who was also on a short term contract.

Lewis Wing didn't sign for us that season. He returned from loan and either went back out again or was sold.

Payero, Crooks, Lumley, Ikpeazu were signed as first team squad players on long term contracts.

From those - Sporar and Hernandez improved the team under Warnock. But weren't favoured under Wilder. Hernandez because he didn't play with wingers and Sporar because he preferred Connolly for some reason.

Peltier and Bamba definitely improved the side as squad players with experience. They were very useful throughout the season.

Ikpeazu was useful under Warnock as a squad player, didn't fit Wilder's side. Crooks has been a very useful player the whole time he's been here.

The thing is, they didn't clogg up the squad for a long time. The loans left at the end of the season. As did the free transfers. We were only left with Ikpeazu who was sold, Payero and Lumley who went on loan, and Crooks and Daniels who stayed in the squad. That's standard for most Championship squads. And considering how much that squad cost to put together (very little) it's a lot better than most sides do.

It's easy for us to criticise because we're close to the club. But look at other sides in the Championship, this amount of signings isn't exactly unusal.
 
JM14 said:
Come on, you can’t really be telling me the club can be taking credit for Spence and Akpom?

Spence was loaned out to get rid of him because we had zero intention of ever playing him again. Luckily he went to a club that used him properly

We didn’t even give Akpom a squad number and were trying to give him away for free. Luckily he only played because we failed to sign another striker

If it was down to the club, both players would have gone for free if we could find someone to take them
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First, Spence started the first few games that season. Of course we were planning on using him. He'd been in and around our first team for two years. He was never getting released. We saw him as an asset that could bring money in (he was linked with Premier League moves when Woodgate was in charge) so we wanted to put him in the shop window.

But that's not really the point, how the players were used is either here nor there. You're talking about a recruitment policy. The recruitment policy is about finding cheap players who can perform and help us get promoted and/or be sold for a good profit. We found Spence for free and sold him for over £10 million. No other club picked him up when he was released by Fulham, we did. We signed Akpom for around £2-3 million and sold him for over £10 million. And Akpom was vital in taking us to the playoffs.

For me, those are two shining examples of the recruitment team finding cheap, talented players. Criticise the managers for not using them all you want, although Spence had other issues, but that doesn't mean the recruitment was bad.
 
Once the window closes and the dust has settled, be interesting to hear from Scott about the strategy in play and why we signed the players we did and the loans late on. He normally does an interview post window. Will be good to hear from the horse's mouth so to speak. I'm sure we are still aiming for the play-offs at least. Only time will tell if we get there.
 
rbmfc1985 said:
First, Spence started the first few games that season. Of course we were planning on using him. He'd been in and around our first team for two years. He was never getting released. We saw him as an asset that could bring money in (he was linked with Premier League moves when Woodgate was in charge) so we wanted to put him in the shop window.

But that's not really the point, how the players were used is either here nor there. You're talking about a recruitment policy. The recruitment policy is about finding cheap players who can perform and help us get promoted and/or be sold for a good profit. We found Spence for free and sold him for over £10 million. No other club picked him up when he was released by Fulham, we did. We signed Akpom for around £2-3 million and sold him for over £10 million. And Akpom was vital in taking us to the playoffs.

For me, those are two shining examples of the recruitment team finding cheap, talented players. Criticise the managers for not using them all you want, although Spence had other issues, but that doesn't mean the recruitment was bad.
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until Akpom found some form we did everything to get rid of him for nothing. Until then he was a very expensive signing for us who had been a complete flop to the extent he was sent out on loan and then not even given a squad number. If we signed the strikers we actually wanted, Akpom wouldn’t have played again. He really isn’t a shining example of a successful recruitment team, just a player taking his chance
 
NoloBoro said:
Good post, I find all the talk about Mr Gibson losing interest and all the criticism of the recruitment team quite tiresome. I don’t know what people expect.
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Oh, come on.

We should expect the Chairman and CEO‘s role at the club is to improve the team and, therefore, chances of success.
I’m not bothered whether we make 2 or 22 signings.

Even the most optimistic amongst us must question whether the quality of the squad has been improved, Doesn’t look like it to me.

Of course, in a season or two they may flourish and deliver what we want.
 
JM14 said:
until Akpom found some form we did everything to get rid of him for nothing. Until then he was a very expensive signing for us who had been a complete flop to the extent he was sent out on loan and then not even given a squad number. If we signed the strikers we actually wanted, Akpom wouldn’t have played again. He really isn’t a shining example of a successful recruitment team, just a player taking his chance
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I don't know how many ways I can say this. A player not fitting in at a club, struggling to hit form or a manager pushing a player out doesn't mean the recruitment team did a bad job. All the recruitment team can do is identify talented players. Everything after that is down to the manager and the players.

The recruitment team found attributes in his game that would make him a good player and signed him relatively cheap. He was never an expensive signing for us, he only cost £500 - £750k more than Sam Morsey did. He hadn't performed but I don't think anyone ever called him expensive.

We spent less than £5 million that transfer window. And made more than double that by getting fees for Akpom, Morsey and Watmore. All three of those players played useful roles in the side on the time they were here as well. Clearly this was before we implemented our new recruitment team. But, they signed players who made an impact on the side and that returned more than double the cost of the overall transfer window when they moved on. I don't know what they would have to do for you to consider them having a successful window?
 
1finny said:
Oh, come on.

We should expect the Chairman and CEO‘s role at the club is to improve the team and, therefore, chances of success.
I’m not bothered whether we make 2 or 22 signings.

Even the most optimistic amongst us must question whether the quality of the squad has been improved, Doesn’t look like it to me.

Of course, in a season or two they may flourish and deliver what we want.
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The game is of course about opinions. I think we are in a good place. I can see things taking shape. It’s always going to be difficult replacing Archer and Ramsay, I really liked Chuba and don’t doubt he’s a good footballer, but there’s nothing to say that he will replicate his goal tally this year.
I’ll bet bringing players in is a nightmare.
 
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