We offered warnock a dignified exit

Would anyone have expected anything else? He's a cantankerous git Warnock, and unless Gibson pinned him down and made him sign a non disclosure agreement this was always going to happen. There will be some truths in what he said, few over exaggerations......but he's gone and thanks for the past 16 months. Everyone moves on 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
zorro_mfc said:
To allow him to go after he got his record in a quiet unassuming fashion. With a handshake and a the good wishes of the club.

but no he made it all about him as per usual
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Not so sure that is fair
He clearly hates bausor and they have massively clashed
He’s took a huge pop at bausor on his way out and maybe there’s some fairness in that however as other posts identify, Warnock has had a decent amount of support in bringing in players and with a pandemic in all of this I’m not sure anyone is at any real fault but just managing a tough situation

I’m very grateful for what Warnock has done and can also understand why the club has decided to give more funds to someone who’ll be around next season if January purchases need more time to work of more repair work is required to get us ready for promotion
 
zorro_mfc said:
To allow him to go after he got his record in a quiet unassuming fashion. With a handshake and a the good wishes of the club.

but no he made it all about him as per usual
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No no no no no, utter rubbish.

The club statement was untrue, standard fayre maybe, but It airbrushes the reality of events. People on here moan about politics and lies and shabby behaviour of politicians and cry out for honesty, but when they are given it about their football club, they don’t seemingly like it. I applaud the honesty we have had from Karanka in the past and more recently Warnock, yes even Southgate, as opposed to the smoke and mirrors from the likes of Monk, Pulis and the club itself.

Neil maybe a marmite manager, but i guarantee you one thing he is honest and tells it as it is. He is no fool and does not suffer fools gladly, he was let down on recruitment and for years we have seen procrastination over transfer dealings, I know most of the players will be gutted he has gone, but they are in part culpable, their on field decisions and errors have cost Warnock his job more than his own mistakes. We were top six 8 days ago, Wilder coming will have been ongoing even then, the timing was more likely due the international break than the Birmingham and Luton results.

That aside, to be told in a phone call (not even to his face) on the morning before his last game was shabby, nay cowardly. I wonder who leaked it to the Daily Mail, It will have been a club official or a Wilder representative imho, either way it was uncalled for. He deserved better than that, whatever peoples feelings are about him. To still take the game and get the result he did against a possible top 2 challenging team was quite remarkable and shows the mark of the man and his staff. It showed the players believed in him and were together too. He had every right to speak out, tell the truth and defend his reputation, i applaud his honesty. I could say a lot more, the club must always come first, but it needs to be more dignified in its operations in my opinion

I have spouted on here for years that managers are given gifts, from the Southgate days onwards rather than the players they always wanted. Of course there are some reasons beyond the clubs control why the managers picks can’t all be delivered, but when recruitment brings in players the manager did not want it is no wonder they eventually lash out when it is they that lose their job for others choices. I like Wilder, he will take forward Neils work, how he will fit in with Scott and the ‘new direction’ is another matter once his honeymoon period is over, he likes to manage, not just coach.
 
coluka said:
No no no no no, utter rubbish.

The club statement was untrue, standard fayre maybe, but It airbrushes the reality of events. People on here moan about politics and lies and shabby behaviour of politicians and cry out for honesty, but when they are given it about their football club, they don’t seemingly like it. I applaud the honesty we have had from Karanka in the past and more recently Warnock, yes even Southgate, as opposed to the smoke and mirrors from the likes of Monk, Pulis and the club itself.

Neil maybe a marmite manager, but i guarantee you one thing he is honest and tells it as it is. He is no fool and does not suffer fools gladly, he was let down on recruitment and for years we have seen procrastination over transfer dealings, I know most of the players will be gutted he has gone, but they are in part culpable, their on field decisions and errors have cost Warnock his job more than his own mistakes. We were top six 8 days ago, Wilder coming will have been ongoing even then, the timing was more likely due the international break than the Birmingham and Luton results.

That aside, to be told in a phone call (not even to his face) on the morning before his last game was shabby, nay cowardly. I wonder who leaked it to the Daily Mail, It will have been a club official or a Wilder representative imho, either way it was uncalled for. He deserved better than that, whatever peoples feelings are about him. To still take the game and get the result he did against a possible top 2 challenging team was quite remarkable and shows the mark of the man and his staff. It showed the players believed in him and were together too. He had every right to speak out, tell the truth and defend his reputation, i applaud his honesty. I could say a lot more, the club must always come first, but it needs to be more dignified in its operations in my opinion

I have spouted on here for years that managers are given gifts, from the Southgate days onwards rather than the players they always wanted. Of course there are some reasons beyond the clubs control why the managers picks can’t all be delivered, but when recruitment brings in players the manager did not want it is no wonder they eventually lash out when they it is they that lose their job for others choices. I like Wilder, he will take forward Neils work, how he will fit in with Scott and the ‘new direction’ is another matter once his honeymoon period is over.
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Warnock says it like is as long as its nothing bad about himself. Why so much sentimentalityfor someone whos not been very good and a bit of an ar$ehole
 
He was very praising of Gibbo and the fans and generally pretty respectful I thought for a bloke who has just been sacked.

He isn’t the first former manager to have a pop at our recruitment team.
 
Clearly things have been handled woefully. We all pretty much knew it was going to happen one Scott joined. It's not Warnocks way of signing players.

The only thing I thought 'odd' in his interview was that he said they had been talking to the new gaffer for 3 weeks. So he knew about that. Then he said it's a surprise and only found out at 1000 am. The 1000 am bit maybe true. Yet he obviously knew it was coming.

That said if this is true its pretty shoddy. Imagine going into work and coaching everyday knowing they are talking to Wilder for 3 weeks.
 
coluka said:
No no no no no, utter rubbish.

The club statement was untrue, standard fayre maybe, but It airbrushes the reality of events. People on here moan about politics and lies and shabby behaviour of politicians and cry out for honesty, but when they are given it about their football club, they don’t seemingly like it. I applaud the honesty we have had from Karanka in the past and more recently Warnock, yes even Southgate, as opposed to the smoke and mirrors from the likes of Monk, Pulis and the club itself.

Neil maybe a marmite manager, but i guarantee you one thing he is honest and tells it as it is. He is no fool and does not suffer fools gladly, he was let down on recruitment and for years we have seen procrastination over transfer dealings, I know most of the players will be gutted he has gone, but they are in part culpable, their on field decisions and errors have cost Warnock his job more than his own mistakes. We were top six 8 days ago, Wilder coming will have been ongoing even then, the timing was more likely due the international break than the Birmingham and Luton results.

That aside, to be told in a phone call (not even to his face) on the morning before his last game was shabby, nay cowardly. I wonder who leaked it to the Daily Mail, It will have been a club official or a Wilder representative imho, either way it was uncalled for. He deserved better than that, whatever peoples feelings are about him. To still take the game and get the result he did against a possible top 2 challenging team was quite remarkable and shows the mark of the man and his staff. It showed the players believed in him and were together too. He had every right to speak out, tell the truth and defend his reputation, i applaud his honesty. I could say a lot more, the club must always come first, but it needs to be more dignified in its operations in my opinion

I have spouted on here for years that managers are given gifts, from the Southgate days onwards rather than the players they always wanted. Of course there are some reasons beyond the clubs control why the managers picks can’t all be delivered, but when recruitment brings in players the manager did not want it is no wonder they eventually lash out when it is they that lose their job for others choices. I like Wilder, he will take forward Neils work, how he will fit in with Scott and the ‘new direction’ is another matter once his honeymoon period is over, he likes to manage, not just coach.
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Warnock and honesty in the same sentence 😀
 
S7DiscoDown said:
Clearly things have been handled woefully. We all pretty much knew it was going to happen one Scott joined. It's not Warnocks way of signing players.

The only thing I thought 'odd' in his interview was that he said they had been talking to the new gaffer for 3 weeks. So he knew about that. Then he said it's a surprise and only found out at 1000 am. The 1000 am bit maybe true. Yet he obviously knew it was coming.

That said if this is true its pretty shoddy. Imagine going into work and coaching everyday knowing they are talking to Wilder for 3 weeks.
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But Warnock has said he knew 3 weeks ago he was being replaced.

But then suggests that he only found out yesterday from the media.

He's not only a liar, but a poor one too.
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
Warnock says it like is as long as its nothing bad about himself. Why so much sentimentalityfor someone whos not been very good and a bit of an ar$ehole
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Because when you know, you know.

Your last comment I would say could even be applied to anyone who feels they have let you down or seeks to replace you while you are doing your job or seeks to sack you in a cowardly fashion via a phone call rather than to your face.
 
I think it’s clear we interviewed during the last international break and identified who we wanted. We were honest with Warnock and it looks like we agreed that he could stay on to get the record but that a change would be made during the next IB which is what’s happened.
I suspect it was due to be a really dignified exit but the leak to the papers ruffled feathers, Gibson confirmed the agreed plan was still happening (at 10am) and that was that. Even Warnock knowing Wilder will be starting on Tuesday shows he’s been kept totally in the loop, I think he was upset at the papers saying he would be sacked. Probably suspects a Basaur leak!
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
But Warnock has said he knew 3 weeks ago he was being replaced.

But then suggests that he only found out yesterday from the media.

He's not only a liar, but a poor one too.
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He said there was talk of it and he heard a name being bandied about, that is different to being officially informed.
 
coluka said:
No no no no no, utter rubbish.

The club statement was untrue, standard fayre maybe, but It airbrushes the reality of events. People on here moan about politics and lies and shabby behaviour of politicians and cry out for honesty, but when they are given it about their football club, they don’t seemingly like it. I applaud the honesty we have had from Karanka in the past and more recently Warnock, yes even Southgate, as opposed to the smoke and mirrors from the likes of Monk, Pulis and the club itself.

Neil maybe a marmite manager, but i guarantee you one thing he is honest and tells it as it is. He is no fool and does not suffer fools gladly, he was let down on recruitment and for years we have seen procrastination over transfer dealings, I know most of the players will be gutted he has gone, but they are in part culpable, their on field decisions and errors have cost Warnock his job more than his own mistakes. We were top six 8 days ago, Wilder coming will have been ongoing even then, the timing was more likely due the international break than the Birmingham and Luton results.

That aside, to be told in a phone call (not even to his face) on the morning before his last game was shabby, nay cowardly. I wonder who leaked it to the Daily Mail, It will have been a club official or a Wilder representative imho, either way it was uncalled for. He deserved better than that, whatever peoples feelings are about him. To still take the game and get the result he did against a possible top 2 challenging team was quite remarkable and shows the mark of the man and his staff. It showed the players believed in him and were together too. He had every right to speak out, tell the truth and defend his reputation, i applaud his honesty. I could say a lot more, the club must always come first, but it needs to be more dignified in its operations in my opinion

I have spouted on here for years that managers are given gifts, from the Southgate days onwards rather than the players they always wanted. Of course there are some reasons beyond the clubs control why the managers picks can’t all be delivered, but when recruitment brings in players the manager did not want it is no wonder they eventually lash out when it is they that lose their job for others choices. I like Wilder, he will take forward Neils work, how he will fit in with Scott and the ‘new direction’ is another matter once his honeymoon period is over, he likes to manage, not just coach.
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Interesting hypothesis.

Mine is, the new manager was lined up weeks ago and all parties were aware (as per Warnock‘s comments). The club decided to allow the record to be reached. Warnock knew that after the Luton game he would be leaving, as per the mutual consent in the press release, and probably in the international break.

Phone call at 10am, doesn’t say who made the call to who - could have been Warnock ringing Gibbo before the match, could have been Bausor, who knows.

Warnock hasn‘t been badly done to. He’ll have been paid a fortune whilst he was here, was given substantial backing in the transfer market, he knew the direction the club wanted to take and the type of players the club wanted to bring in as a result, he agreed to stay on those terms.

He has blamed everyone except himself, Ronnie and Kevin for the poor form over the past 10 months. Given the resources he’s had the standard of play with players regressing technically has been excruciatingly bad - he was lucky to get as long as he did.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
Clearly things have been handled woefully. We all pretty much knew it was going to happen one Scott joined. It's not Warnocks way of signing players.

The only thing I thought 'odd' in his interview was that he said they had been talking to the new gaffer for 3 weeks. So he knew about that. Then he said it's a surprise and only found out at 1000 am. The 1000 am bit maybe true. Yet he obviously knew it was coming.

That said if this is true its pretty shoddy. Imagine going into work and coaching everyday knowing they are talking to Wilder for 3 weeks.
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That is my take too, there is no way the 10am call was out of the blue or a surprise, he will have been expecting it but struggled to face up to the reality of it.
 
Ripley11 said:
I think it’s clear we interviewed during the last international break and identified who we wanted. We were honest with Warnock and it looks like we agreed that he could stay on to get the record but that a change would be made during the next IB which is what’s happened.
I suspect it was due to be a really dignified exit but the leak to the papers ruffled feathers, Gibson confirmed the agreed plan was still happening (at 10am) and that was that. Even Warnock knowing Wilder will be starting on Tuesday shows he’s been kept totally in the loop, I think he was upset at the papers saying he would be sacked. Probably suspects a Basaur leak!
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This, my guess, is how I imagine things have panned out.
 
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