Well the Port Vale ticket arguments have already started

I'm not arguing.

But we have a high demand for away tickets, so not everyone will be happy. If you have 3000 ST holders who have had their ticket since 1995, and an away game with 2000 tickets......there are ST holders who will miss out. Demand outstrips supply and we can't do anything about that.

As you have rightly pointed out it's the abuse of the priority points system that needs addressing - going back to how it used to be is an option but can see this meeting huge resistance.
As long as those 3k have an even chance of getting a ticket then it is fair. Missing out isn't unfair, it's unlucky.

Logistically it is more difficult but a raffle type distribution system is the most fair way of doing things.

Of course, those that go regularly think fair means that because they've been to Cardiff or Plymouth they are better than everyone else so "deserve" to go to Sunderland. For some reason the thing that nobody is forcing them to do but they are choosing to do every week because it's fun is suddenly a chore/duty that they are performing on behalf of other people thus giving them the superior status of first in line for the most desirable matches.

I am not a season ticket holder so neither system really affects me. I know I am at the back of the queue for every game and I'm ok with that. I'm not complaining because the current system doesn't suit me but because I can see how unfair the priority points scheme is. Somebody mentioned it being a Tory approach to ticket distribution and that is exactly right. People that already have the most thinking they are most deserving when there is the least to go around is very Tory.
 
I had a look at Alan’s post and through the screaming into the ether I did actually find myself agreeing with many of his points.

You can’t be a proponent for the priority points system and at the same time be against the club policing the system. Those viewpoints are incompatible, yet many Boro fans hold them. That leaves me to believe they’re either playing the system themselves or they go the games with people who are. There’s no other reason is there? You can’t say it’s for fairness but turn a blind eye to people cheating it.

I think the Newcastle approach is a fair one, the club could take one look on Facebook or Twitter any given week and see the same names selling tickets. I’ve seen one person under their own name buying 3 tickets that have just gone on sale and put them up for sale as “spares” 10 minutes later.

Stop those tickets at the turnstile and ID them. You only have to do it a couple of times and it will stop very quickly.
 
Who’s missing out? Season ticket holders have paid their money. The ones who have invested longer get first choice and so on and so forth. It’s not open to abuse and gives those who deserve a chance at getting tickets, a chance. It avoids this current closed shop and there’s no real way to abuse the system. Win win.
Only a couple of games have not gone to general sale so how is that a closed shop?
If as a season ticket holder you had been to every other game excepting Exeter and Sunderland how many points would you have?
Also, how much money would it have cost you? Both in tickets, trave and time off work?
Lets see how many away games you would need to have attended as a home season card holder to get in the queue for Port Vale. It may not be as many as you think, mid week. December.
Someone on this thread questioned me personally having an away season ticket. But I go to every game. I pay to go to every game. When did you last go to an away game? I know when I last missed an away game (through covid). That will be the same for the other away season ticket holders. They travel to every match.
This system works well for most. Some cheat it Sadly, some would cheat any system. It would be just as easy to do so with your system unless those using tickets were matched up with the season cards. That could be a bit Big Brother for a football game.
 
Who’s missing out? Season ticket holders have paid their money. The ones who have invested longer get first choice and so on and so forth. It’s not open to abuse and gives those who deserve a chance at getting tickets, a chance. It avoids this current closed shop and there’s no real way to abuse the system. Win win.
There is no real system that is fair. If you go by length of season ticket then you’re not giving. A fair crack of whip to newer/younger fans

If you wanted pure fairness you would put all season ticket holders into a raffle and draw that way, allowing for people to sit together, then general sale same rules apply
 
Only a couple of games have not gone to general sale so how is that a closed shop?
If as a season ticket holder you had been to every other game excepting Exeter and Sunderland how many points would you have?
Also, how much money would it have cost you? Both in tickets, trave and time off work?
Lets see how many away games you would need to have attended as a home season card holder to get in the queue for Port Vale. It may not be as many as you think, mid week. December.
Someone on this thread questioned me personally having an away season ticket. But I go to every game. I pay to go to every game. When did you last go to an away game? I know when I last missed an away game (through covid). That will be the same for the other away season ticket holders. They travel to every match.
This system works well for most. Some cheat it Sadly, some would cheat any system. It would be just as easy to do so with your system unless those using tickets were matched up with the season cards. That could be a bit Big Brother for a football game.
I’ve explained in detail the problems with the system being cheated, a direct response to you, but you haven’t responded

People have stated other clubs are clamping down on it too.

Clear as day the system works for you so couldn’t care less if it works for others or not.

Hers a question for you. Do you agree with that people should play the system?

If no, what should be done to prevent it?
 
Only a couple of games have not gone to general sale so how is that a closed shop?
If as a season ticket holder you had been to every other game excepting Exeter and Sunderland how many points would you have?
Also, how much money would it have cost you? Both in tickets, trave and time off work?
Lets see how many away games you would need to have attended as a home season card holder to get in the queue for Port Vale. It may not be as many as you think, mid week. December.
Someone on this thread questioned me personally having an away season ticket. But I go to every game. I pay to go to every game. When did you last go to an away game? I know when I last missed an away game (through covid). That will be the same for the other away season ticket holders. They travel to every match.
This system works well for most. Some cheat it Sadly, some would cheat any system. It would be just as easy to do so with your system unless those using tickets were matched up with the season cards. That could be a bit Big Brother for a football game.
There are a couple of things to unpick from this stance.

1. If there are only one or two occasions a year where this is an issue why do we need a priority points scheme at all? Seems like a lot of unnecessary admin to appease a very, very small group of people that actually benefit.
2. Do you think there is an occasion where you shouldn't get a ticket?
3. Do you go to every match home and away because you want to or because you are forced to?
4. In a hypothetical situation where there was 1k tickets every week and 2k people that wanted to go would it be more fair if the people that went first got to go every week or if it alternated so if you miss out one week you are at the front of the queue the following week? I.e. everyone gets to go to half the matches or one group goes to them all and the other group goes to none?

Obviously number 4 is hypothetical for now but if we got promoted it could become reality because I'd expect we sell out pretty much every away game in the PL.
 
Only a couple of games have not gone to general sale so how is that a closed shop?
If as a season ticket holder you had been to every other game excepting Exeter and Sunderland how many points would you have?
Also, how much money would it have cost you? Both in tickets, trave and time off work?
Lets see how many away games you would need to have attended as a home season card holder to get in the queue for Port Vale. It may not be as many as you think, mid week. December.
Someone on this thread questioned me personally having an away season ticket. But I go to every game. I pay to go to every game. When did you last go to an away game? I know when I last missed an away game (through covid). That will be the same for the other away season ticket holders. They travel to every match.
This system works well for most. Some cheat it Sadly, some would cheat any system. It would be just as easy to do so with your system unless those using tickets were matched up with the season cards. That could be a bit Big Brother for a football game.
I’ve been to 7 away games this season. I’m going to Bristol City, fully intend on going to Leeds, Port Vale, Rotherham and Huddersfield. I’ve also got my accommodation booked for Millwall in January. So I think I pass the sniff test on being able to comment on these matters. As you can see, I personally have no issue getting tickets.

No offence Rob but you’ve been wrong on almost everything on this issue. I raised it last year and you denied there was an issue, that people go to away games for “pints not points”.

You now seem to be of the opinion that it does happen, but it’s only a small minority but diddums there’s just nothing we can do about it.

You having an away season ticket is very relevant to this discussion. You’re advocating a points system that you yourself don’t use, and when I previously suggested to you that they scrap the away season ticket as you no longer need it with the points system you seemed pretty aghast at the thought of having to join the rest of us. You can’t champion a system that you yourself don’t use.

There shouldn’t even be an away season ticket in its current format. Why are you and others being offered a product under the table that the rest of us aren’t allowed to buy? It’s bonkers. I’d buy one, I’d love to not have to interrupt my family time or work time to sit on a clunky website buying tickets. If having an away season ticket saves on booking fees be over £30 better off for start.

You were wrong on Exeter and many of us on here called it ahead of time. We said the tickets would be gobbled up by those wanting to re-sell and that’s exactly what happened. Social media was flooded with them.

Port Vale will sell out quickly, because it’s a big game and people like myself are looking forward to being there. But also if people can’t make the game for whatever they’d be idiots if they didn’t buy the ticket and pass it on because they’ll definitely sell it and there’s zero chance the club will do anything about it.

If they brought in similar checks to Newcastle the vast majority of this stops overnight. If people know there was even a small chance of their points being taken away or season ticket cancelled the majority wouldn’t let anyone have it. There will always be a small minority who spin the wheel but that’s up to them.

It will work for everyone but the cheats. More tickets will be available, it will give people a chance to build their own points, more will make it to general sale instead of making it to the people who would have bought in the general sale via a middle man claiming the points you could have had.

It’s such an easy thing to do and when you asked do Boro fans want this many on this thread have already said yes.
 
in every system a ticket can be transferred but only in the priority points system can fans unfairly inflate their own points and gain greater advantage, advancing their own position and creating a closed shop. This will only get worse in the Premier League.
 
The away season ticket is surely a red herring. Anyone who's got one has - by definition - bought a ticket for every single Boro game for God knows how long, and therefore will have the maximum priority points anyway. Scrapping the away season tickets wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference to ticket allocations.
 
I’ve been to 7 away games this season. I’m going to Bristol City, fully intend on going to Leeds, Port Vale, Rotherham and Huddersfield. I’ve also got my accommodation booked for Millwall in January. So I think I pass the sniff test on being able to comment on these matters. As you can see, I personally have no issue getting tickets.

No offence Rob but you’ve been wrong on almost everything on this issue. I raised it last year and you denied there was an issue, that people go to away games for “pints not points”.

You now seem to be of the opinion that it does happen, but it’s only a small minority but diddums there’s just nothing we can do about it.

You having an away season ticket is very relevant to this discussion. You’re advocating a points system that you yourself don’t use, and when I previously suggested to you that they scrap the away season ticket as you no longer need it with the points system you seemed pretty aghast at the thought of having to join the rest of us. You can’t champion a system that you yourself don’t use.

There shouldn’t even be an away season ticket in its current format. Why are you and others being offered a product under the table that the rest of us aren’t allowed to buy? It’s bonkers. I’d buy one, I’d love to not have to interrupt my family time or work time to sit on a clunky website buying tickets. If having an away season ticket saves on booking fees be over £30 better off for start.

You were wrong on Exeter and many of us on here called it ahead of time. We said the tickets would be gobbled up by those wanting to re-sell and that’s exactly what happened. Social media was flooded with them.

Port Vale will sell out quickly, because it’s a big game and people like myself are looking forward to being there. But also if people can’t make the game for whatever they’d be idiots if they didn’t buy the ticket and pass it on because they’ll definitely sell it and there’s zero chance the club will do anything about it.

If they brought in similar checks to Newcastle the vast majority of this stops overnight. If people know there was even a small chance of their points being taken away or season ticket cancelled the majority wouldn’t let anyone have it. There will always be a small minority who spin the wheel but that’s up to them.

It will work for everyone but the cheats. More tickets will be available, it will give people a chance to build their own points, more will make it to general sale instead of making it to the people who would have bought in the general sale via a middle man claiming the points you could have had.

It’s such an easy thing to do and when you asked do Boro fans want this many on this thread have already said yes.
It’s really hard to argue against any of that
 
The away season ticket is surely a red herring. Anyone who's got one has - by definition - bought a ticket for every single Boro game for God knows how long, and therefore will have the maximum priority points anyway. Scrapping the away season tickets wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference to ticket allocations.
Exactly, therefore removing the away season ticket now makes sense, if they system is changed in future it impacts everyone the same way
 
Bolton this season was an example (I assume). So fans like myself, with it being pretty much a home game, short hop up the M61 couldn't go.

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Why couldn't you go to Bolton? Tickets went on general sale on Monday 21 August and didn't sell out until Wednesday 23 August.
 
Am I the only one who couldn't give a flying **** if the current scheme de-prioritises any "fans" who don't care about supporting us in the Championship?
No but you don't understand basic maths because it's not just people that don't care about supporting us in the Championship. Away ticket prices are capped in the PL at £30 so every one is reasonable value. There are also fewer of them at 19 instead of 23 and they are most likely at the weekend instead of midweek so demand will naturally be higher even without them being PL fixtures.

Also you are assuming the same people go every week currently when that isn't the case. If people like @InglebyUTB are going to 7 every season and we're selling out regularly now (we're getting close if not actually selling out every away game) but they decide they want to go to 9 in the PL and there are fewer games then those are regular fans that then can't get tickets. There are also a lot of people like me I assume that don't live on Teesside. I go to as many away matches as I can that are local to me. I'm not missing games because it's the championship and I don't care but because financially/logistically I am unable to get to the majority of them. Again, I'm not demanding special treatment and I don't expect tickets that don't reach general sale but I'm just explaining that demand will be higher and it won't be anything to do with people caring more because it is the PL.
 
Am I the only one who couldn't give a flying **** if the current scheme de-prioritises any "fans" who don't care about supporting us in the Championship?
That wouldn’t be the case. Season ticket holders would become victims of the crooked system.
 
No but you don't understand basic maths
Bit harsh! Although to be fair my first class maths degree didn't cover priority points...
Away ticket prices are capped in the PL at £30
Agree that current away prices can be obscene (and I'm partly avoiding the Bristol game on a point of principal over their price gouging) but we've had plenty of sub-£30 Championship games which either sold out slowly or not at all.
Also you are assuming the same people go every week currently when that isn't the case.
I'm really not. The "basic maths" shows us that there's around 750-1000 who go to pretty much every game, a few thousand more who I'd call "regulars" but do maybe 7-12 a season, and then thousands more who do just one or two.
There are also a lot of people like me I assume that don't live on Teesside
And me! I do agree that there should be something that recognises people for whom a home game isn't just a quick walk across town, but I'm yet to hear any workable suggestion for how we'd do that.
demand will be higher and it won't be anything to do with people caring more because it is the PL
Reallllllllly? Our fans will be desperate to go to Anfield and Old Trafford instead of the Select Car Leasing Stadium because it'll be capped at £30 and there are slightly fewer away games in a PL season? We both know you don't really believe that.
 
Why couldn't you go to Bolton? Tickets went on general sale on Monday 21 August and didn't sell out until Wednesday 23 August.
Apologies, I stand corrected👍

I was out of the office all day Monday, Tuesday couldn't get 3 together, sold out Wednesday.

However, there were empty seats dotted about all over.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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