What do Thursday's results indicate for the election?

LessoftheLip said:
And there we have it. An unqualified denial that antisemitism flourished in the Labour Party on the watch of your man. I'm generally not surprised by a lot of antisemitic bile spouted on SM but to see it here is a new low for this forum.
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The Chakrabati Report, the EHRC report and the Forde report ALL categorically stated there was no antisemitism crisis within the Labour party under Corbyn's leadership. If you have evidence elsewise then present it, instead of bleating about AS on SM and making veiled accusations that I, personally, am an antisemite.

I'm not claiming, and have never claimed, there was zero antisemitism within the Labour party under Corbyn, but it didn't "flourish" and it is largely undisputed that the 'crisis' itself, was manufactured for factional political purposes.
 
Scrote said:
The Chakrabati Report, the EHRC report and the Forde report ALL categorically stated there was no antisemitism crisis within the Labour party under Corbyn's leadership.
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The EHRC report says no such thing so why don't you point out to me where it does? I've read the EHRC report many times and it is the most comprehensive report available to me. It also refers to the Chakrabati report. It talks about political interference from the LOTO's office in the handling of antisemitism complaints. Corbyn was suspended because he refused to acknowledge the scale of antisemitism on his watch.
Scrote said:
If you have evidence elsewise then present it, instead of bleating about AS on SM and making veiled accusations that I, personally, am an antisemite.
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The Labour Party was effectively put in special measures because of the scale and handling of antisemitism complaints in the party. The only person who bleats on here is you. Christ how do you get through your day? And I'm not making a veiled accusation but I will make it quite clear that I consider anyone who denies the scale of antisemitism within the Labour Party under Corbyn is no better than the antisemites themselves.
 
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Ex Footy Legs said:
More left wing though…the media war against anything he does will influence the majority of the weak minded ENGLISH pupublic.
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Him and his team came up with what appears to be a very sensible plan of coordinating adult care with NHS care. Sadly the trial never came to fruition, I think because of the pandemic, but I can't remember.
I don't know whether we just have poor quality politicians now, but we need to get beyond the 2 party tribalism and have some decent long term strategies that last beyond 1 or 2 parliamentary terms.
 
WeeGord said:
On a different note the Lib Dems are tabling a motion of no confidence in the government tomorrow and urging back bench Tories to support it.
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Empty gesture though isn't it? The Tories have a working majority of 53 and they can always rely on the sex pests who've lost the whip to side with them.
 
LessoftheLip said:
The EHRC report says no such thing so why don't you point out to me where it does? I've read the EHRC report many times and it is the most comprehensive report available to me. It also refers to the Chakrabati report. It talks about political interference from the LOTO's office in the handling of antisemitism complaints. Corbyn was suspended because he refused to acknowledge the scale of antisemitism on his watch.

The Labour Party was effectively put in special measures because of the scale and handling of antisemitism complaints in the party. The only person who bleats on here is you. Christ how do you get through your day? And I'm not making a veiled accusation but I will make it quite clear that I consider anyone who denies the scale of antisemitism within the Labour Party under Corbyn is no better than the antisemites themselves.
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So, yet again, you're unable to point to anything to back up your claims. If it was such a slam-dunk you'd post it for the world to see. Show us where the EHRC report states that there was an antisemitism crisis.

The problem, as you well know, is that all of the findings in the EHRC report that DO show problems in the Labour party relate directly to the period when Iain McNicol (anti-Corbyn for anyone not following this closely) was running the complaints process. The improvements - as accepted by the EHRC - came about once Corbyn appointed Jenny Formby.

The political interference from the LOTO was also explained, in the report, to be largely attempts to speed up and improve the process, prior to the appointment of Formby. Hardly the actions of a deeply committed antisemite trying to hide the evidence. Forde found that there was no “clear and convincing documentary evidence that there was a systematic attempt by the elected leadership or LOTO to interfere unbidden in the disciplinary process in order to undermine the party’s response to allegations of antisemitism”.

The EHRC report is flawed but as long as it's read knowing the context of the Labour Party infighting at the time - which you clearly do - there is nothing to suggest that antisemitism was allowed to "flourish" as per your earlier claim. The Forde report and the official JVL statement both explicitly reference this. The onus is on you to provide the evidence elsewise - failure to do so has to be taken as a tacit acceptance of this narrative as laid out by Forde et al.

Corbyn wasn't suspended because he "refused to acknowledge the scale of antisemitism on his watch". He was suspended because he wouldn't retract his statement that the scale of of antisemitism was exaggerated for political gain. There's a very distinct difference between that and what you're implying. Also, without stating what you think the scale of antisemitism was, it's impossible to determine whether I agree with your assessment. As Corbyn made clear, one antisemite is one-too-many, but the public perception of 34% of members being antisemitic was far larger than the actual 0.3% of party members who had a case against them - some of whom were subsequently exonerated.
 
The Houchen vote suggests to me the local Tories will lose at least 30% of their votes in a 2024 General Election. My guess is quite a few of those votes would go to Reform.
 
LessoftheLip said:
Hardly hung Parliament territory.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1787512656510812199
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That nonsense that Sunak was pedalling on Sunday was just desperation about the possibility of a hung Parliament. Tactics to try and recover lost votes from Reform. Fact is the Professor who came up with a hung Parliament philosophy thinks Labour will only win 2 seats in Scotland for instance. Complete and utter bollox.
 
Redwurzel said:
The Houchen vote suggests to me the local Tories will lose at least 30% of their votes in a 2024 General Election. My guess is quite a few of those votes would go to Reform.
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I see a certain percentage of the Reform vote drifting back to the Tories pre-election.
I think this usually happens at GEs anyway, but for whatever reason the hard right feel alienated by Sunak, Thursday made me think Sunak is a dead man walking.
If the Tories were to win the election, they'll soon crown a new leader more appealing to the Reform-splitters.
 
Zoophonic said:
That nonsense that Sunak was pedalling on Sunday was just desperation about the possibility of a hung Parliament. Tactics to try and recover lost votes from Reform. Fact is the Professor who came up with a hung Parliament philosophy thinks Labour will only win 2 seats in Scotland for instance. Complete and utter bollox.
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Thought it was a staggering claim going against pretty much every other expert (including most tories).

He's come across looking like a bought and paid for stooge for Sunak (which he might well be). Think he's embarrassed himself and shame (but no surprise) on sky for giving him airtime. Or if you're going to do it, at least have other informed guests who can challenge him.

Shades of brexit and dredging up the 1 economist in 100 who thought it would it would be good for the country's finances.
 
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